Mainstream Mafia [THE END]

[pidgey]

lol, i Actually was just talking to mcqueen in that post SoO, i dunno why i got your acronym by typing "So". Stupid cellphone.
I still think mcqueen saying silenced scum is good is stupidly scummy and his new thing about the cult thing is also cringeworthy so will keep my vote there for now.
SoO join me and Icerint in a FF6 crusade....

Anyway, RVS talk is just talk. Nothing townie or scummy comes out of that. I've said it in other games, but stuff like mafia theory is something that one would talk the truth about, regarding of role. Take HarryPotter/MetalGear theme game, where we talked about leashing an SK. I'm pretty sure that RVS talk is just stupid and we should stop.

Oversoul saying we should fucking massclaim in a game with a cult and an undisclosed amount of maria with uncertain amount of roles, saying there are no VT when the opening post states otherwise, is scummy as fuck though. And im pretty sure oversoul isnt dumb enough, so i find it very scummy that he even suggested it.

[pidgey]

munkyman's vote looks pretty damn weird too.

[sword_of_omens]

lol, i Actually was just talking to mcqueen in that post SoO, i dunno why i got your acronym by typing "So". Stupid cellphone.

haha..i'll still just pretend you wanted my input...

SoO join me and Icerint in a FF6 crusade....

yeh boyeee..we just have to make up for our town loss from that game, so the pressure is on. Actually glad that Iec was able to get squeezed in on this one...

Oversoul saying we should fucking massclaim in a game with a cult and an undisclosed amount of maria with uncertain amount of roles, saying there are no VT when the opening post states otherwise, is scummy as fuck though. And im pretty sure oversoul isnt dumb enough, so i find it very scummy that he even suggested it.

meh...the actual sign up thread was advertised as role-madness, so i won't really hold it against him just yet...
although i will say that mass claim is probably a bad idea:

This game is role madness (No VTs). There IS a cult in this game. Aside from that, there are no "bastard" mod things (jesters, et cetera) in this game. Enjoy!

[Iecerint]

Iecerint, why does mcqueen being interested in the cult in a game that's set up around having one in play seem so bizarre to you? Yes, he could be pretending not to know about some of the ins and outs to throw us off, but his questions thus far seem organic.

Tbf I had already forgotten about the cult by the time I was reading the thread, so the contrast with my own experience was salient to me.

Fits with either mcqueen being cult, or being mafia who is mindful of the known competition. I learn the latter for his "it is good for both town and mafia" language.

[Iecerint]

Oversoul saying we should fucking massclaim in a game with a cult and an undisclosed amount of maria with uncertain amount of roles, saying there are no VT when the opening post states otherwise, is scummy as fuck though. And im pretty sure oversoul isnt dumb enough, so i find it very scummy that he even suggested it.

Idk, I think that was too over-the-top to come from scum, unless the scum were dumbdumbdumb.

It can actually be good to massclaim sometimes in set-ups that are very power-role heavy. I think Oversoul was thinking about the vagaries of the set-up and thinking outside-the-box a little.

I think our being reminded about the cult probably shuts down the utility in this case, though.

[Iecerint]

Iecerint, why does mcqueen being interested in the cult in a game that's set up around having one in play seem so bizarre to you? Yes, he could be pretending not to know about some of the ins and outs to throw us off, but his questions thus far seem organic.

Tbf I had already forgotten about the cult by the time I was reading the thread, so the contrast with my own experience was salient to me.

Fits with either mcqueen being cult, or being mafia who is mindful of the known competition. I

lean

the latter for his "it is good for both town and mafia" language.

EBWOP

[Iecerint]

I think pidgey, sword, and penguin are probably all town btw.

[Magical7]

@Magical7, what the hell are you doing buying into that shit? Anything can look good if you cover it well enough, and that's what they're doing. God damn man, think for yourself.

I'm merely stating that I understand his position on RVS. I disagree with him that leaving RVS is bad. I hope you're not referring to me thinking Jason scummy; that is not caused by his non-RVS vote, but his defensive behavior against Maenara's vote.

Also, I checked back on mcqueen's ISO and agree on his attempt to form an alliance between town and mafia is a classic scum move. Actually, that's way more scummy than Piesank or Jason right now.

UNVOTE: Piesank
VOTE: mcqueen

[Majiffy]

But then we request a prod and you'll have to come back. Or the mod will ignore or lie about the prod. Or the mod will reveal your scheme. But I don't see a situation where this would successfully be pulled off.

Not hard to say "the prod has been picked up". Leaves it ambiguous without actually fucking the game.

Not if you PM the mod and tell them you're faking silenced and not just flaking on the game.

Last game silencing was something that was announced quite specifically at the start of the day.

That would solve the problem.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

And I don't see how you would fake being silenced for a week. You'll be replaced by then.

Not if you PM the mod and tell them you're faking silenced and not just flaking on the game.

And I've seen that argument for RVS, but it's also equally negated by the fact that town can "transition naturally" out of RVS and thus scum can be tripped up by a quick and unnatural ending to RVS when they're still trying to get a town foothold. Or any other argument that involves "well town is town so town and scum is not town so obv not town", which is what the entire argument boils down to.

But then we request a prod and you'll have to come back. Or the mod will ignore or lie about the prod. Or the mod will reveal your scheme. But I don't see a situation where this would successfully be pulled off.

Not hard to say "the prod has been picked up". Leaves it ambiguous without actually fucking the game.

Not if you PM the mod and tell them you're faking silenced and not just flaking on the game.

Last game silencing was something that was announced quite specifically at the start of the day.

That would solve the problem.

*hem*
Anyway.

[mcqueen]

Confirm.

The first post to stick out to me is Jason's vote post. Keeping an eye on as I keep reading through....

@ Maenara's posts

Vote: Jason

mcqueen's BIZARRE fixation on the cult sets off ALERTS ALERTS ALERTS

Unvote; Vote: mcqueen

Oversoul's request for massclaim is very bold and straightforward, so I think he's probably town. I think he's wrong, though.

I actually understand Maenara's mindset totally. Jason's RVS post bothered me, too.

It is a little unsettling that people have never heard Maenara's reasoning before....

I have always been interested in Cults, and coming up with new and bizarre roles, although I'm not very good at it. I've always wanted to play with a Cult, so I guess I've just been a little eager, and honestly would love to experience being recruited by one, with the exception that in order to win, I find it better to get rid of them early, as I'm sure chkflip has already given us enough to deal with, as it is a Bastard Mod / Role Game, and the confirmation that there are no Vanilla Townies.

@Magical7, what the hell are you doing buying into that shit? Anything can look good if you cover it well enough, and that's what they're doing. God damn man, think for yourself.

I'm merely stating that I understand his position on RVS. I disagree with him that leaving RVS is bad. I hope you're not referring to me thinking Jason scummy; that is not caused by his non-RVS vote, but his defensive behavior against Maenara's vote.

Also, I checked back on mcqueen's ISO and agree on his attempt to form an alliance between town and mafia is a classic scum move. Actually, that's way more scummy than Piesank or Jason right now.

UNVOTE: Piesank
VOTE: mcqueen

I've never seen anyone, but me, suggest Town and Mafia work together. And I've done it before, but, if I recall correctly, always when I have been Town. As much as it may be hard to not find it scummy, think of it like this -

As I explained above, I'm sure chkflip has already given us enough to deal with, let alone the Cult. As hard as it may be for Mafia to help their opposing faction, if the cards fall the right way (or the wrong way, in Mafia's eyes), then the Cults could become stronger than the Town, become a bigger enemy for Mafia to deal with, with an advantage, on top of that: being able to recruit more Cults. I find it in no way of much use for Mafia to keep the Cult around, and more beneficial to them if they did. This would get Mafia to help the Town, while simultaneously eliminating a bomb that is ready to go off.

Yes, it does seems a bit odd for Town to say something like this, but I see it helping both factions, and making the game that much more simpler, instead of having to worry about Cults going around, on top of trying to figure out all the other crazy roles.

[Magical7]

Also, I checked back on mcqueen's ISO and agree on his attempt to form an alliance between town and mafia is a classic scum move. Actually, that's way more scummy than Piesank or Jason right now.

UNVOTE: Piesank
VOTE: mcqueen

I've never seen anyone, but me, suggest Town and Mafia work together. And I've done it before, but, if I recall correctly, always when I have been Town. As much as it may be hard to not find it scummy, think of it like this -

As I explained above, I'm sure chkflip has already given us enough to deal with, let alone the Cult. As hard as it may be for Mafia to help their opposing faction, if the cards fall the right way (or the wrong way, in Mafia's eyes), then the Cults could become stronger than the Town, become a bigger enemy for Mafia to deal with, with an advantage, on top of that: being able to recruit more Cults. I find it in no way of much use for Mafia to keep the Cult around, and more beneficial to them if they did. This would get Mafia to help the Town, while simultaneously eliminating a bomb that is ready to go off.

Yes, it does seems a bit odd for Town to say something like this, but I see it helping both factions, and making the game that much more simpler, instead of having to worry about Cults going around, on top of trying to figure out all the other crazy roles.

What you say is true, but in my experience, only mafia say this. For town, finding mafia and finding cultists is somewhat similar, but because mafia know who are mafia, their method of finding cultists is significantly different than that of townies. That's why it would make sense for mafia to say this. It's not the fact that town and mafia both benefit from eliminating cultists, it's the fact that you pointed it out that put my vote on you.

[Iecerint]

I can buy the OMG CULTS ARE NEAT explanation for cult focus. Framing things as "fighting the common enemy" is still a little upsetting, though.

[Elyse]

I don't buy the OMG CULTS ARE NEAT explanation or the mafia/town alliance that mcqueen is pushing.

If my vote counted I would vote for him.

[Elyse]

Also not sure of Toog's roleclaim. There's something about it that's bugging me.

[Johhog]

UNVOTE: BeautyAndTheBeast
(vote]mcqueen[/vote]

'tis a good wagon.

[Johhog]

FML.

VOTE: mcqueen

[sword_of_omens]

almost forgot...

@MOD: i will be doing my usual weekend V/LA please (starting in an hour or 2)

[ThAdmiral]

I'm v/la for the next two days.

This game is flying.
I'm scared there's going to be like 100 posts when I get back.

[dramonic]

This is a bastard mod??

[Baby Spice]

This is a bastard mod??

I thought the mod specificallsy said it was't apart from having a cult.

[JacobSavage]

This game is role madness (No VTs). There IS a cult in this game. Aside from that, there are no "bastard" mod things (jesters, et cetera) in this game. Enjoy!

Pretty sure it's not eastward.

[JacobSavage]

Bastard.

[chkflip]

This game is role madness (No VTs). There IS a cult in this game. Aside from that, there are no "bastard" mod things (jesters, et cetera) in this game. Enjoy!

Pretty sure it's not eastward.

[Secret Agent Sloth]

Maenara and Jason are both probably town.. or at least the latter.