NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[Vifam]

Didn't this game start in 2012

[Vifam]

Nevermind I'm wrong

Anyway, we are at MYLO. At this point unless something DRAMATIC happens I'm probably not gonna change my reads. At the moment I have Majiffy/Bork/Rev as the scumteam. I just dont feel like arguing at this point, I'm town.

[Vifam]

I'm a VT btw

[UberNinja]

Why Majiffy over Rev, Vifam

[Majiffy]

Wanna lynch Bork or Rev, then? I'm happy with both.

[UberNinja]

also, penguin_alien has less posts in the game than Om of the Nom, who replaced out on Day 1

[UberNinja]

honestly think penguin_alien is more likely to be scum given pirate mollie-kill, and mhork being left alive

Oh yeah. Gimme a sec for mass claim list.

Majiffy
Aj the Epic
TheReverend
penguin_alien
Vifam
Borkjkork
UberNinja

There.

also the fact that she's right fucking smack dab in the middle

and has been the same for pretty much everyone, for pretty much the entire game

[Vifam]

Why Majiffy over Rev, Vifam

Because he was one of AP's and AD's townreads

[Vifam]

Why Majiffy over Rev, Vifam

Because he was one of AP's and AD's townreads

[UberNinja]

you know what, i don't want to play havoc with majiffy/rev

vote: penguin_alien

[UberNinja]

wait, what? you mean scum reads?

[Vifam]

I was talking about Rev

[Vifam]

also, penguin_alien has less posts in the game than Om of the Nom, who replaced out on Day 1

Okay?

[UberNinja]

VOTE: mozamis

I like the mozamis wagon a touch more than the Bitmap one. mozamis, would you say you generally form town reads quickly?

Aj The Epic, what do you make of TheReverend's explanation for his quickly shifting votes? p-edit: Lord Mhork, what did you think of the explanation?

Sorry mozamis, somehow I confused your early reference to pirate_mollie with a vote. But I appreciate you addressing the question anyways.

UNVOTE: mozamis
VOTE: Lord Mhork

MattP, why do you think anyone should be persuaded by your vote on I Am Innocent without an explanation? Except apparently JacobSavage who is sheeping for no apparent reason. The end of page 37 was really scummy.

UNVOTE: Lord Mhork
VOTE: JacobSavage

I don't love Lord Mhork feeling the need to get affirmation on his belief that wagon jumping is sketchy, but his rationale tracks, so.

I hate ArcAngel9's post. This is not a no-lynch situation, and if there weren't more consistently scummy people, I'd want to rake that stance over the coals.

As it stands, Majiffy's summation of the case is persuasive. I don't want to dismiss JacobSavage, as that wall of reads is horrible when coupled with the fact that he was questioning mozamis to get a read on him, yet the best JacobSavage came up with is null. But TheUnderachivers looks pretty scummy, and I don't think we're going to get a better lynch or much more material to chew over relative to the worth of the bankable deadline, so:

UNVOTE: JacobSavage
VOTE: TheUnderachivers

By my count this is L-1.

VOTE: JacobSavage

Still hasn't provided any content with documented reasons beyond sheeping and conveniently doesn't have chkflip on his last reads post at all.

Wow, drive through a blizzard, settle in to eight pages of zaniness.

My question to those who are positing that I Am Innocent's quick cop claim was scummy: what was the alternative? We're on a bankable deadline, so we don't necessarily have time for a wagon to run up and then get a claim. Regardless, a claim was expected promptly. If he'd refused to answer, he'd have been run up in all likelihood. For I Am Innocent to claim anything other than his (presumed) role would have risked outing another PR and left him stuck claiming truthfully anyways after having been caught out lying. Which wouldn't have helped his eventually being believed anyways. Yes, he could have waited out MattP to see if he was gambiting, but unless they set this up ahead of time and counted on no cop CCing I Am Innocent, again it's a waste of time. There was no reason for MattP to relent on his gambit until he got a result.

Look at that: my conclusion after ten minutes including the time to catch up on the thread. It's not that complicated, and it's not even me in I Am Innocent's position, who presumably has been considering his PR since the game started.

I don't know about MattP, but this doesn't decrease my lousy feelings about those who jumped on the I Am Innocent wagon. Again, I come back to zabriel here. And since JacobSavage seems to have flown the coop for now and Lord Mhork is to be confirmed-town:

VOTE: zabriel

Majiffy - 1: ArcAngel9
I Am Innocent - 2: zabriel, JacobSavage
JacobSavage 4: mozamis, I Am Innocent, UberNinja, Vifam
UberNinja - 2: MattP, PeregrineV
MattP - 3: AJ the epic, pirate mollie, AngryPidgeon
ArcAngel9 - 4: Lord Mhork, Dreams of Grandeur, borkjerfkin, TheReverend
mozamis- 1: Majiffy
zabriel - 1: penguin_alien

is the VC I come up with.

Dreams of Grandeur, I disagree with you on how zabriel's playing based on how I've seen him play, but I don't think that lynch is going anywhere anyways.

I don't like lynching someone on V/LA, so I'm good to put JacobSavage off for now. MattP or ArcAngel9 seem like decent choices, given that we're closing in on a week's worth of bankable time.

UNVOTE: zabriel

I'm torn between supporting the ArcAngel9 lynch or the MattP one. MattP's gambit seems to have zero expected payoff, given that if I Am Innocent had been scum and fake-claimed, it would have necessitated a town PR CC in all likelihood, but ArcAngel9 has been pretty unproductive, and I can see her coasting on the 'only town would have quickhammered!' thing for a while.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

AngryPidgeon, I've seen zabriel lurk as town, and he seemed to be less inclined to throw in excuses and extraneous content then. There's enough to read that's relevant in this 100+ page game without going through posts talking about how stoned he is.

I was thinking about how things would work with pirate mollie giving us two investigation targets, with the unchosen one being held over for the next day to reduce the PoE in scum finding the last mason on their end. I don't know if giving the scum a ballpark to work in offsets not making the last mason conf-town for them though.

I don't love the part in borkjerfkin's ISO where he goes from thinking the only scummy thing I've done is not write off UberNinja's Vifam-grammar theory (here) and has me as one of his top lynch choices a couple pages later (here). And then goes to voting I Am Innocent here. I guess I'm willing to see where this goes.

VOTE: borkjerfkin

JS-scum because AA defends him isn't doing it for me. This smells like a cheap-shot at somebody who has been MIA from the site. Not a fan.

So what is your read on JacobSavage? As someone recently pointed out, even if he's been MIA lately, he was posting before.

11-20 Pages…

Boner list of town is been increased, but haven’t specified reads for it.. but out of nowhere he votes OM and Vifam follows him. That wonders me who is buddying up whom, it’s too easy to see both of them are scum mates, but one of the could be scum… IGMEON Vifam and Boner
Surprisingly Bitmap is slowed down , not sure if he is running away from the attention… And he ends up asking for Day Vig, that was weird but he is being him again which is crazy and confusing all the time.
Peregrine reads town
TheReverend read town
Herobrine leans slight scum
Zabriel is null so far..
Majiffy is pretty much null, not sure if that’s how he normally plays so he is neutral
Mozamis seems bit aggressive in responding

What do you make of the difference between how she treats her nulls? She leaves herself license to change her mind on her read of me and fills her read of Majiffy full of weasel-words and bullshit about ignorance of his meta.

Reposting the full reads list because what I actually find most interesting about this is that she included zabriel at all. Most of the people on the list were either significant topics of discussion or contributing a lot of content up to that point, and I see that least from zabriel. Why bother including him, especially just to say that he's a null read without any elaboration? It doesn't seem worth it to set him up, which makes me think he's a partner and she's forcing including a read on him.

Coupled with his ISO having a lot of throwing things against the wall to see what sticks, like:

This is something that is making me wonder right now. Is Om hiding his partner in plain sight? Or is he setting us up?

where 'his partner' is Bitmap, but zabriel declines to give an opinion.

zabriel hammering ArcAngel9 would be more persuasive if that lynch hadn't been pretty inevitable by that point.

I'm not getting any town vibes from zabriel, and I think he's a better lynch than borkjerfkin. It remains to be seen whether he's a better lynch than JacobSavage, depending on what/if JacobSavage posts after V/LA.

UNVOTE: borkjerfkin

VOTE: zabriel

VOTE: MattP

This is L-1 I believe.

If IAI is town and AD is caught scum, case closed obviously. But let's say IAI is scum. Isn't there a decent shot he's giving us a scum buddy to optimize the team's chances? If we lynch AD and he's scum we believe IAI for most of the game. If we go with IAI as scum, we write AD off as another attempt from IAI to set up a townie and he slides through.

VOTE: ActionDan

UNVOTE: ActionDan

Not sure if we're actually near hammer as someone implied, and I'm not sure enough to see the day end in either lynch yet.

Yeah, I think lynching ActionDan is our best shot.

VOTE: ActionDan

I believe *cough* this is L-1.

VOTE: I Am Innocent

here is her voting history

Mass claim with Lord Mhork calling the order, Y/N?

and here is her asking for a completely useless mass claim

because everybody knows scum will just claim VT

but wants to look useful anyway

[Vifam]

Penguin reads town to me

[UberNinja]

well look how good your reads have been all game

[UberNinja]

also vifam, why did you stop pushing on rev that one time when he got all flaily? i forget

[Vifam]

One of my reads actually FLIPPED scum though, more then I can say for you

[Majiffy]

So the Goober is a townboober.

[Vifam]

also vifam, why did you stop pushing on rev that one time when he got all flaily? i forget

I think I got annoyed and just wanted the day to end, that was the day we lynched Zab

[TheReverend]

you know what, i don't want to play havoc with majiffy/rev

vote: penguin_alien

Cmon man this is sloppy. MYLO etc.

[Majiffy]

But doesn't call out Vifam for his vote, lol.

[UberNinja]

it's not sloppy if she's scum

and how come you didn't say Vifam's vote was sloppy

[UberNinja]

^
^ yea that

[TheReverend]

Didn't notice vifam's vote. Missed the posts on the last page since my last post. Yeah vifam's vote is sloppy too, even if it is who we're lynching today.

We're claiming before we lynch. Unvote, dickheads.