The alternative is CES finding another Townie to mislynch. Also, I'm the one with a wagon.In post 799, Empire wrote:I don't really see why Vi is being singled out here
/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!
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In post 775, Tammy wrote:Okay re-made it through the first 10 pages and think that ces/wicked are good votes. If either is scum, the other works...
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In post 799, Empire wrote:
A ton of people suspected Johhog despite him making that post and despite Tammy pointing out the PR possibility in her wallpost (and even I was wavering on the Johhog townread at the end of the day). I don't really see why Vi is being singled out here, especially given that this roster is fairly competent and should have caught that/considered it more.
Apart from the Tierce-Vi thing, it felt like a very natural accompaniment to my vote.Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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..Oh, he's on V/LA. -_-
Vi, can you sum up your vote in a way that doesn't sound like Oh My God CES You Suck? And I honestly would never have caught that Johhog thing as a PR claim. As saying he meant he was busy or something, but I'm surprised it was obvious to anyone.
I am also refraining from ranting about the kills only because it's not topical anymore, but suffice it to say I believe the deceptive thought patterns are bad for the future.I HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
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Well if you want to get down to brass tacks I wouldn't say CES sucks because that would imply that he's Town giving a good-faith effort. In the medium term what he's doing is working out well from a scum POV.In post 804, Shadoweh wrote:Vi, can you sum up your vote in a way that doesn't sound like Oh My God CES You Suck?
CES has spent the entire game thus far tunneling on four people, all of whom are actually pretty likely to be Town and all of whom just happen to have been the major wagons going on without his input. Three of them were targets of opportunity (Llamarble, N, penguin_alien) and I was just an easy pick along the way to lynching N and penguin_alien.
Now consider that Johhog softclaiming his power role sounds awhole lotlike why he was killed (feel free to come up with an alternative explanation; I'll wait). Now you get to choose whether you believe I'm spinning webs of elaborate fake confusion about why he was killed, or if I was actually left out of the loop entirely AKA not scum. I'm legitimately surprised that people who have read a whole lot more of this game than I have (well, the Townies, anyway) have not picked up on this yet.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Though to be fair to all parties this was a bad vote.
Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum(L-3)
#YOLO
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In post 801, Empire wrote:In post 775, Tammy wrote:Okay re-made it through the first 10 pages and think that ces/wicked are good votes. If either is scum, the other works...
How so? And what happened to your Wicked townread from D1?
Scrapped it. I scrapped most of my reads from day one other than the ones I felt confident about and am reassessing, especially since being horribly wrong about johhog. And my wicked town read was admittedly for a pretty silly reason. He mentioned that the CTD/Shadoweh thing felt like bussing and because I had gotten a little paranoid over the same thing thought he was town for demonstrating my thought process. But, CTD/Shadoweh weren't bussing, and Nacho made some really good points regarding wicked that I had been overlooking by that point. Anyway, both are good votes to see what comes of it regardless.-
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Oh sorry. In Post 103 he makes sure to follow up with Ben why he called CES scum. Benmage had previously called both Empire and CES scum in Post 42 without any reasoning for either, so why is CES the only one that wicked mentions? (He also does a similar thing with wondering why Tierce thinks N is scum in Post 248)
Both of these seem rather throwaway and don't seem to serve a real purpose than to be commenting on someone for the sake of it. Also, they both are in the list of people that CTD didn't really mention/mentioned in throwaway posts, and I know the mafia traitor role is a tricky one for us to make sense of on how they would treat their partners, but it's something I want to look into.-
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In post 471, Vi wrote:
You've seen a lot more Tammy-scum than I have, and from what I've heard I'm not going to be good at reading her.Tierce 418 wrote:Vi, Tammy, T/S
With that said, T.
But why though? At this point even empire, who should be good at reading me, didn't feel really comfortable calling me town. Why did you, even with the caveat?-
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In post 793, Vi wrote:
Luckily, I said a fair amount more than you bolded.In post 791, Tammy wrote:
This doesn't seem like a very valid point. I've only seen CES!scum a few times, but none of those time did he deliberately try to avoid choosing a vote so that his vote didn't have much accountability. He might still be scum here, but this is a weak.In post 784, Vi wrote:
Short answer: SIn post 783, Empire wrote:Vi, CES, T/S
I said D1 that I thought CES was Town; his means of coming around to suspecting me seemed logical and supported by a surprising amount of thought (specifically "any that he chose to share"). At this point it seems evident to me that CES is tunneling me as an end to itself; if you understand what he's said about me Today, please tell me. Something similar happened with {Vi, N, penguin_alien}; notice that not only did CES coax both of the two wagons,but he deliberately didn't choose until his vote would hold the least accountability("just put one down for the sake of avoiding No Lynch"). Now look at this exhaustive list of people CES has pushed over the course of the game:
The bolded was all I took issue with >_>
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We're talking about CES; it's more like this.Tammy wrote:
Sympathy for the reader.In post 788, Vi wrote:
That definitely implicates you more than me.In post 787, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Or anyone else who takes the time to read Tammy's walls.
unvote
vote: Vi
If it makes you feel better, I've not read several peoples' walls. (If that doesn't make you feel better, etc.)
The inspiration for my post!
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Vi, I wasn't sure whether what CES was saying about you having particular reason to read Johhog's posts was correct. Maybe that isn't such a valid point though.
But then there's 807, where the whole 'spinning webs of elaborate fake confusion' feels exaggerated because I'm pretty sure it's the type of thing scum would want to do, and without much difficulty either.
Eh, Vi seems kind of town from her ISO, but I actually find that post scummy.... I'll sort it out later.
So, I was distracted and am running out of time again, and the busiest time of my week is coming up, so I'll say the stuff I want to say now.
Vote: Konowaas he's probably my most solid scumread. I maybe support the Vi wagon too. CES is leaning town (maybe I'll ISO him later to check, but I'm pretty sure that's where my read is). Wicked has been someone I've put off actually trying to read and I guess it's the same again today (sorry!), but from what I remember I think he could be scum? I'll work this out too.-
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It's hard to casemake about CES.
I want to say how he treated me this game is funny, but it's different from the Revolution mafia buddying because he voted me for a non-bad reason first.
PoE is part of my vote. And CES' voting does work from scum.
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In post 807, Vi wrote:
Well if you want to get down to brass tacks I wouldn't say CES sucks because that would imply that he's Town giving a good-faith effort. In the medium term what he's doing is working out well from a scum POV.In post 804, Shadoweh wrote:Vi, can you sum up your vote in a way that doesn't sound like Oh My God CES You Suck?
So you're just arguing mild suckitude, is what you're saying? Mafia is a long-term game
Vi wrote:CES has spent the entire game thus far tunneling on four people, all of whom are actually pretty likely to be Town and all of whom just happen to have been the major wagons going on without his input. Three of them were targets of opportunity (Llamarble, N, penguin_alien) and I was just an easy pick along the way to lynching N and penguin_alien.
I think a lot of people are acting townish, so I'm not too surprised that my suspicions would align more with the general populace this game (+2 of the 4 are likely scum). Calling yourself a pre-existing major wagon is inaccurate and suspicious (also the only way of making what you said make a lick of sense). "Easy pick along the way to lynching N and penguin_alien", yeah, that's just the accountability garbage then. Have you even ever executed a convoluted plot like that?
Vi wrote:Now consider that Johhog softclaiming his power role sounds awhole lotlike why he was killed (feel free to come up with an alternative explanation; I'll wait). Now you get to choose whether you believe I'm spinning webs of elaborate fake confusion about why he was killed, or if I was actually left out of the loop entirely AKA not scum. I'm legitimately surprised that people who have read a whole lot more of this game than I have (well, the Townies, anyway) have not picked up on this yet.
Did I really need to spell out that faking ignorance is a perfectly legitimate play?Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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In post 820, Vi wrote:And Tomorrow if there's no obvious safe push you just go with whoever winds up with the wagon. It's not that difficult when on a meta level there's no expectation for you to positively contribute.
I got BoPed in Revolution mafia because the town wouldn't let me bus Kanye and that was ages ago. This isn't even close to true.
In post 820, Vi wrote:You have lost all credibility by tacking "and suspicious" on. You wasted words on that feeble attempt to drive home your irrelevant point?
I'm not one to let a "overestimating one's own wagon" scum tell pass by unnoticed.
In post 820, Vi wrote:Given how much :effort: I've put into this game I think it's an unlikely one.
It doesn't take much :effort: to say you didn't know something. It's not a particularly intricate play.
Vi wrote:I gots ta say, though, you're really stroking my ego about my scum game. It's a lot better than what I remember people (and Tammy) saying.
See, I was actually worried your scum play seemed unreasonably bad at first. Good to know.Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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Because I had no reason not to except what I said.In post 813, Tammy wrote:
But why though? At this point even empire, who should be good at reading me, didn't feel really comfortable calling me town. Why did you, even with the caveat?In post 471, Vi wrote:
You've seen a lot more Tammy-scum than I have, and from what I've heard I'm not going to be good at reading her.Tierce 418 wrote:Vi, Tammy, T/S
With that said, T.
And Tomorrow if there's no obvious safe push you just go with whoever winds up with the wagon. It's not that difficult when on a meta level there's no expectation for you to positively contribute.CES 817 wrote:So you're just arguing mild suckitude, is what you're saying? Mafia is a long-term game
News flash: Sometimes I don't make sense and sometimes that's actually not intentional.CES 817 wrote:Calling yourself a pre-existing major wagon is inaccurate and suspicious (also the only way of making what you said make a lick of sense).
You have lost all credibility by tacking "and suspicious" on. You wasted words onthatfeeble attempt to drive home your irrelevant point?
Given how much :effort: I've put into this game I think it's an unlikely one.CES 817 wrote:Did I really need to spell out that faking ignorance is a perfectly legitimate play?
I gots ta say, though, you're really stroking my ego about my scum game. It's a lot better than what I remember people (and Tammy) saying.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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In post 822, Tammy wrote:Am I hallucinating or did ces just respond to Vi a couple hours before he actually made that post? I think I need to go back to sleep.
Clear scumbuddies who messed up their staged play!
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In post 822, Tammy wrote:Am I hallucinating or did ces just respond to Vi a couple hours before he actually made that post? I think I need to go back to sleep.
I would've responded sooner but board didn't let me post for a few hours.Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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