NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

[Robocopter87]

Whats wrong with Chkflip?

Are you bringing personal grudges into this nice game we are playing of niceness

[Ms Marangal]

there's nothing wrong with Chk, he can be nice if he wants to be...

[Ms Marangal]

also, I'll state reasons on my reads soonish.

[Bulbazak]

Yeah, don't really care for Chk. However, if I was to vote for Antilles at this point, it'd have nothing to do with my dislike for Chk.

[Ms Marangal]

TAM- he's my first pic, I already stated my reasons on him. he's lurking, and isn't doing much to scum hunt.
UA- right now it's all guts.
Bulba- I'm not getting to much of a good feel from him, it's all guts but I get the feeling that all his stuff is seemingly done to frame people, such as BT
KBW- I would admit that, me wating him gone would be a PL at this point... I think he's a good person to take a look at though when he comes back. I think he's being anti-town rather then being scummy
Antillies- same reason as KBW, though I feel that the CHK head can be useful if it really wants too
Serra- he's way to quiet, I want to hear more from him
MO- I'm not sure, he's null. I'm not getting a too good a feel from him
Klick- I want to hear more from him, He's a super null read
Otter- I'm not sure what to think, He's making some good imput, but I'm not to entirely fond of his arguments. the fact that he wants to do a PL just for the sake of it seems scum motivated. he does have some good scum hunting points though and to me, the cancel the other out
Reek- Null, leaning town... I have a genuine read off him, though I still need more to get a clear read off this Hydra.
BT- Null town, I don't feel any scum force coming off of him but it isn't enough for me to say that he's actually full on town
Rach- pretty active, fairly questioning. I sense a good amount of good intent coming off her
Robo- posting not to much, but of what he does post is to the point and consise. his reads are pretty easy to figure out, and has his opinion stated with each post.

[Bulbazak]

What do you mean "such as BT"? I have BT as a town read, thank you very much.

[Ms Marangal]

My next question was going to be how you expect scum to react to a town self-vote.

Couple of things:

1.) I'd expect scum to be drawn to it in certain ways. The most obvious would be to vote in the hopes of an easy lynch. Another way would be to cast suspicion on the vote without actually voting for the person who self-voted. In fact, drawing a lot of attention to the self vote would be ideal for scum, whether they are on the wagon or not. That's why a self vote can be a good way to judge reactions.

Let's take you, for instance. Your voting habits thus far have been very opportunistic. You jumped on the first wagon available without much of a reason of your own. Then when my self vote starts garnering a lot of attention, you choose that opportunity to vote, after criticizing others' reasons for doing so. In other words, you tried to have your cake and eat it too. You can't join a wagon and distance yourself from it at the same time. It doesn't work like that.

Regardless, this was something new that I wanted to try, and I got quite a few leads from it. 4 people bit, and I believe 1-2 of those are town. Going to start with the scummiest and work my way from there, starting with BT.

2.) "A town self-vote"? Sounds like you're in the know, which you shouldn't be, unless you're scum.

I was referring to this quote, didn't read much into your later posts. here, it seemed like you were trying to accuse him of making a "scum slip"

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.08:

Metal Overlord - Klick
The Acting Method - Titan, ms. marangal, bulbazak
Bulbazak - Reek, keybladewielder
Robocopter - rachmarie
Human Destroyer - Metal Overlord
Reek - serrapaladin
Underachivers - Human Destroyer, Robocopter
ms. Marangal - BT
keybladewielder - arcangel8, underachivers
Antilles - otterhorse

Not Voting - antilles, The Acting Method

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch and to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-03-31 00:58:14) or by midnight on April 1st, 2013.

keybladewielder is V/LA until Sunday.
The Mastin2 head of The Underarchivers is V/LA until at least the end of March.

[Voidedmafia]

Metal Overlord has been prodded.

[Bulbazak]

I was referring to this quote, didn't read much into your later posts. here, it seemed like you were trying to accuse him of making a "scum slip"

I thought it was a scum slip. He corrected me.

[The Acting Method]

Okay, my thoughts on the game so far...

This is different from any of my other games on site how?

However to get down to business.

I really need to do at the very least an ISO of the game... It's keeping me from scumhunting.

[BT]

For now I'll just post this before reading the rest of page 10 and pages 11-15:



I don't like serrapaladin's #222 + #224. I feel like he has no reason to be as suspecting as he is (of OtterHorse and their Setup Ploy, Oh No), so much that I'd accuse him of throwing suspicion onto OH for not-good-enough reason. (considering this is his only stated reason for disliking OH)

~*~

It wasn't a slam dunk, hey this is a solid town tell, which is why I labeled it as kind of a town tell, and I did consider that. I spill a lot of my thoughts but don't always spill everything, and was interested in their response to my potential town tell and other people's. That interpretation is a small point in their favor, and I'd hoped that Mastin would react to it today when he posted, as there are issues I have with both of their heads at the moment.

I really don't see the towntell still though. In fact looking at it again it's more likely that he was in the mindset of general theory talk aka not-necessarily-talking-about-this-game-which-happens-to-be-nightless.

Because it's arthur? He probably missed it, and yes even though he quoted the very post it was asked in, he has a tendency to miss things or overlook them. As do I, but probably less than Arthur does. If you want a specific question answered, sometimes you just have to ask it again.

Still bothered me. Even some kind of hint that he registered the question would have sufficed, but, actually, thinking about it now, if he reads me as null and it was more of an earlygame thing, he MAY have chosen to ignore it due to reaction-fishing-related reasons. So yeah, okay.

As far as me thinking I have a handle on your meta, can we just postpone that answer? I don't *think* my answer will broach ongoing games territory but I'd rather not put it to the test.

Mmm, thought so, alright. My question was mostly due to *ongoing* as you might have possibly guessed.

[Human Destroyer]

Okay, my thoughts on the game so far...

This is different from any of my other games on site how?

However to get down to business.

I really need to do at the very least an ISO of the game... It's keeping me from scumhunting.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Acting Method

[Bulbazak]

What's wrong with being suspicious of someone due to their call of a policy lynch?

[BT]

What's wrong with being suspicious of someone due to their call of a policy lynch?

I'm assuming this is for me? It isn't wrong, but it didn't seem like the suspicion was justified. He didn't address anything else about OH and didn't address anything else (though I haven't finished reading so he may have fixed this).

[BT]

Basically it looked like he had a biased point of view on OH's behavior solely because of the PL thing.

[Bulbazak]

To be fair, that's mostly all that Otter has done.

[BT]

No, he has done some other things. I suspect he clinged to the PL suggestion as a reason to paint the slot's actions as scum. This isn't even that strong and, again, I'm not done reading, but I guess I just want to make this clear.

[Voidedmafia]

Reek and Arcangel have been prodded

[Metal Overlord]

Really MS, really? Give me a minute or two. ~KX

[Metal Overlord]

Ok, just finished reading the thread over, will move onto ISOs in a second for more accurate reads, but so far Under and Antilles are seeming scummy, though a decent part of that is simply because of the position on anonymous Hydras. This isn't an anonymous game, if it were, I have no problems, however, it isn't, so get with the program. Titan leas scum slightly, but I could easily see them coming back. HD is definitely town, could just be since I got him lynched ftl in my last game, but I doubt it. BT, Robo, and AA also seem to be town, but I'd like to see more from the latter and Klick. I believe everybody else reads neutral, or at least I didn't notice anything in particular, including with TAM. From what I understand, it's a playstyle, and while unlikely, it is possible to just not have opinions. Perhaps the ISO will say differently?

@Mod, I unvoted HD long, long ago, and changed to Under.

I am strongly in favor of Policy lynches. To me, if you have the time for it, a policy lynch should be a way to hit the people who are hard to read, and who you wouldn't be able to tell normally. You eliminate them, provided nobody else seems to be scum more then them, on the off chance that they are scum. However, in this game, outside of Key, TAM, or Antilles, I don't see any options, and aside from Key, I don't think any options are really good.

Also, on a final note, LOL at my other head complaining about quality. You're not one to talk, shush.

[Voidedmafia]

@Mod, I unvoted HD long, long ago, and changed to Under.

the vote in post 112 is not counted as per rule 5c.

[Metal Overlord]

I assume the unvote in 107 didn't count either then? Fine.

UNVOTE:

For now, will have an updated vote after ISOs. Happy now? Also, nice response time.

[Titan]

but yes, I think

Titan is very townie

, and KBW, Not entirely sure. as of right now, I'm thinking very scummy townie who can't handle the pressure placed on him but that can change

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and everyone else I have no impression on one way or another

TAM- he's my first pic, I already stated my reasons on him. he's lurking, and isn't doing much to scum hunt.
UA- right now it's all guts.
Bulba- I'm not getting to much of a good feel from him, it's all guts but I get the feeling that all his stuff is seemingly done to frame people, such as BT
KBW- I would admit that, me wating him gone would be a PL at this point... I think he's a good person to take a look at though when he comes back. I think he's being anti-town rather then being scummy
Antillies- same reason as KBW, though I feel that the CHK head can be useful if it really wants too
Serra- he's way to quiet, I want to hear more from him
MO- I'm not sure, he's null. I'm not getting a too good a feel from him
Klick- I want to hear more from him, He's a super null read
Otter- I'm not sure what to think, He's making some good imput, but I'm not to entirely fond of his arguments. the fact that he wants to do a PL just for the sake of it seems scum motivated. he does have some good scum hunting points though and to me, the cancel the other out
Reek- Null, leaning town... I have a genuine read off him, though I still need more to get a clear read off this Hydra.
BT- Null town, I don't feel any scum force coming off of him but it isn't enough for me to say that he's actually full on town
Rach- pretty active, fairly questioning. I sense a good amount of good intent coming off her
Robo- posting not to much, but of what he does post is to the point and consise. his reads are pretty easy to figure out, and has his opinion stated with each post.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT "VERY TOWN" READ ON US MISSY?

[Titan]

Still bothered me. Even some kind of hint that he registered the question would have sufficed, but, actually, thinking about it now, if he reads me as null and it was more of an earlygame thing, he MAY have chosen to ignore it due to reaction-fishing-related reasons. So yeah, okay.

No. I looked at it, then I immediately forgot about it, and saw something that actually caught my interest to comment about in that post.

And now that I actually re-look back at the question, it stated "

Unless if you have got something about BT

, do you know his meta". I really have nothing on you besides prob one game, so I really wasn't suspecting you because of meta.