Mini 393- Vegas Showgirls- Game Over! Showgirls Win!

[evilandy]

WTF! I've never seen this before - a kill midday (or in this case midnight).

[Twito]

I died? COOL! Thanks! I was struggling under too many games

[MeMe]

Hmm.

Still like my vote.

[evilandy]

I'm not sure that anything that's been said is reason for a lynch.

But discussion is always good.

This stood out for me, though:

FOS: ubertimmy

This is now the second time that he has tried to quick lynch someone with little or no reasoning.

unvote, vote: ubertimmy

- first genuine piece of scumminess I can put my finger on.

I'm still waiting for an explanation from Ogre (and Sailor Jerry) why they think Ubertimmy is so scummy. As I said, I can't see any evidence of the second quick lynch. It looks to me more like Ogre and Sailor Jerry are trying to organise a bandwagon...

[MeMe]

And

I'm

still waiting for an explanation from ubertimmy.

[ubertimmy]

What do you want me to explain?

[MeMe]

ubertimmy: what are you hoping to accomplish by putting me so close so early?

Still unanswered.

[evilandy]

For the record, my view on the Ubertimmy/Meme "discussion" is as follows:

- Meme was on 4 votes as is Ubertimmy now, but I consider that Ubertimmy could have voted without counting
- I think Ubertimmy has been blatantly misrepresented by both Ogre and Sailor Jerry and that to me is a more interesting rock to turn over

[MeMe]

So...you think that "for das bandvagon experience" means "I doubt this is the fourth vote"?

And why, exactly, do you feel the need to provide ubertimmy an excuse?

[evilandy]

Hi Meme. Well from my limited experience page 1 random voting errors like Ubertimmy's are common. However it looks like to to me that Ogre and Sailor Jerry's actions are deliberate.

[Mariyta]

The "Nothing's Changed But I'm Going To Be Nice And Post A Vote Count Anyway" vote count

Ubertimmy (3)- Adele, MeMe, Sailor Jerry
Totem (2)- Ubertimmy, Lucresia
MeMe (1)- BrizzyBoi
evilandy (1)- ogre
Lucresia (1)- Aelyn

Everyone made it out of the dressing room!

It's still 6 to push someone off the stage!

[Aelyn]

Unvote

- we're out of the random stage now.

[ubertimmy]

My goal meme, was to provoke reactions. There are certain things I look for. Think nothing else of it.

[MeMe]

Next several days for me will be extremely busy -- I might not get a chance to check in. I'm sure I'm not the only one....

[evilandy]

Oh well.

vote Sailor Jerry
FOS Ogre and Meme

[MeMe]

In light of the fact that ubertimmy has now said that his action was deliberate -- not the "bit hasty" "without counting" "voting error" you have tried to make it -- you've no defensible reason for that FOS on me.

[evilandy]

Sorry Meme but I do not follow your logic. So he voted you deliberately to provoke a reaction?

Ubertimmy is on four votes and an FOS from Ogre, so it could easily turn into 5. You are stubbornly leaving your vote on him while openly admitting you might not be checking back for a couple of days. Thereby leaving him in peril of a quick lynch.

My suspicion is that Ubertimmy is being lined up for a quick lynch and that Ogre, Sailor Jerry and you may be in on.

That is why I'm FOSing you.

[MeMe]

Let me just point out...

...that ubertimmy's been on four votes for

six days

making your use of the term "quick lynch" in his case rather inaccurate
...your worry about ubertimmy exceeds his own
...if I switched my vote from ubertimmy, it would be to you for your weird insistence that he doesn't deserve votes -- even though your reasons for excusing ubertimmy have been debunked by ubertimmy himself.

But, yeah. My mistake for assuming your "logic" for FOSing me must stem from your earlier posts since it was unexplained in the FOS post itself.

[evilandy]

I have explained why I don't think Ubertimmy deserves the vote from Sailor Jerry and the FOS from Ogre. And I have asked both to explain their insistance on calling Ubertimmy scum based on his "second bandwagonning".

I'd be interested on hearing your opinions on that.

[MeMe]

My opinion is that they can explain themselves, though I'll just say that 1) neither have actually called him scum -- let alone

insisted

he is and 2) as you pointed out, *ogre's not even voting him.

*

Which brings up an interesting point...why are you more accusatory toward ogre, who's not voting ubertimmy, while neglecting to even mention Adele, who

is

?

~~~~~~~~~~

Also -- here's a public service announcement

: unless Twito's vote somehow still counts despite his death, ubertimmy's only at three votes, which means that danger of lynch -- quick or otherwise -- is quite diminished.

[evilandy]

I'm not sure that anything that's been said is reason for a lynch.

But discussion is always good.

This stood out for me, though:

FOS: ubertimmy

This is now the second time that he has tried to quick lynch someone with little or no reasoning.

unvote, vote: ubertimmy

- first genuine piece of scumminess I can put my finger on.

Sailor Jerry calls Ubertimmy scum here.

And I explained my thinking in posts 48 and 53.

[MeMe]

I don't consider calling an action scummy the same as insisting someone

is

scum -- but I'll agree to disagree with you on that one while you should admit that you couldn't justify including ogre in your accusation about scum insistence.

As for your thinking in 48 & 53 -- they included neither Adele

nor

me but I've now been labeled "stubborn" while Adele, who's kept her vote right where it's been for more than week, still escapes notice.

Regardless, aren't you calmed a bit by the fact that ubertimmy actually has only three votes?

[evilandy]

I am calmed in that he is no longer in peril of a quick lynch. However I am still very suspicious of Ogre and Sailor Jerry. And by you. And slightly less so by Adele and everyone else.

For the record, Sailor Jerry is now top of my suspicion list as he voted and identified Ubertimmy's behaviour as a "genuine piece of scumminess".

Then Ogre, who defined Ubertimmy's first vote on someone as an attempt to quick lynch.

Then you Meme, after you kept your vote on Ubertimmy despite engaging in a discussion of blatently more scummy behaviour from Sailor Jerry and Ogre and not switching your vote.

Adele's vote looks just like a vote to me. Can't say that bliped my radar. Interested to hear her and the others opinions on what we are discussing though.

[BrizzyBoi]

Away for XMas until January 3.

Understand if replacement is required

[ubertimmy]

Meme, you are as quick to move to the offensive as you are to the defensive. thats cool. but you play both really hard. and the best defense is a good offense.

i could see brizzyboi as scum.