Open 490: Donner Party Mafia (Game Over)

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 1.7

auspicious (4)

: havingfitz, fferyllt, Superdeclan, Syryana

MeowMix (2)

: unseencamo, Otolia

Otolia (2)

: MeowMix, goodmorning

havingfitz (1)

: DCLXVI

goodmorning (1)

: Cheery Dog

Superdeclan (1)

: auspicious

No Vote (1)

: Malakittens

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is Friday, April 19 at 5:30pm CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-04-19 17:30:00).

[Syryana]

I absolutely love Otalooloo's last post. It pretty much confirms he's scum. I'll take this in turn.

Puzzling and from my point of view not aligned with the town.

Lynching scum isn't aligned with town? K.

Except you actually believe auspicious is not scum but SK. You are so confident of your reads that you mentioned this precise fact numerous times (last paragraph of #115, 4th of #145) with little to no backing real scumhunting whatsoever. But now he is

just

scum ? Are you actually confused as to who is who ? Or do you simply not care ?

This part is great. He's taking me to task for voting auspicious, not because auspicious isn't scummy, but because I called him the SK earlier. It's completely irrelevant what anti-town role auspicious is; it only matters that I think he's not a townie. Besides, as fery pointed out, my reasoning on auspicious being the SK sucked anyways. As scum of whatever flavor, he's still gonna have to die before town wins. You're deliberately missing the point: there are three people I think are not town (i.e. scum). It's completely irrelevant what particular scum role each of those individuals holds.

Your play overall is messy, all over the place and very confusing for the town. Unilaterally decreeing someone is scum doesn't make it town. You are classifying me as such on the basis that I choose to vote after a votecount (#115)- while I was saying that my vote was virtually on Meowmix. Considering that I voted on Meowmix as announced afterwards and remained focused, your case on me is void.

Attack on my play, check. Broad, vacuous reasoning, check. Gross oversimplification of my read on him, check. Silly justification by way of gross oversimplification, check.

First off, the way I play is my damned business. Second of all, just because you have no idea what I'm doing doesn't mean my actions are anti-town, since you're not the center of the

universe

town. Third, no kidding me saying things doesn't make them true; if it did, these games would be a lot shorter and a lot more boring. Fourth, my read on you has very little to do with your vote after votecount idiosyncrasy. Fifth, you tunneling Meow is a ludicrous reason to negate a scumread.

As I go back and look at my ISO I realized I've never explicitly explained my read on this guy, so I shall do so here. In bullets.

• Almost zero scumhunting. Ironic, since you have accused me of this yourself.
  
• Your play up to this point has been almost exclusively PBPA, with one or two questions peppered throughout.
  
• Majority of your posts and reasoning against people involves silly little details (e.g. I'm calling the guy I think is the serial killer "scum") rather than real logic (or gut, or whatever other people do to justify their reads), leading me to the supposition that you're having trouble faking town-logic.
  
• After I pointed out your blatant misrep of my MM case, you decided not to respond.
  
• Every time I read your posts, I feel like I'm reading something
  Mitt Romney
  some greasy politician wrote. I don't like politicians, nor do I like the tone of your posts. (Blatant OMGUS reasoning go)

That is why I think Otolia is scum.

[Otolia]

Come at me kid !

[Syryana]

Come at me kid !

[unseencamo]

This has been an interesting little exchange. Without a doubt Sry is the better scum hunter here. Oto's case is pretty meh. However, this could easily be a town vs. town situation. time will tell.

That being said MM has literally made no real attempt to scumhunt. He has kept his original RVS this whole time. What the hell. This guy is clearly the scummiest and the most logical choice.

[Syryana]

This has been an interesting little exchange. Without a doubt Sry is the better scum hunter here. Oto's case is pretty meh. However, this could easily be a town vs. town situation. time will tell.

That being said MM has literally made no real attempt to scumhunt. He has kept his original RVS this whole time. What the hell. This guy is clearly the scummiest and the most logical choice.

Why you gotta go and say scummy things like this, USC? I was perfectly content to sheep myself on my list of reads. Now you're going to make me go back and ISO you.

[unseencamo]

^ Do what you need to do.

[Malakittens]

If you think Ot is scum, Syr, why are you voting Aus rather than him?

[Syryana]

If you think Ot is scum, Syr, why are you voting Aus rather than him?

I already answered this once.

[Otolia]

If you think Ot is scum, Syr, why are you voting Aus rather than him?

I already answered this once.

Perhaps if you need to repeat yourself, it's because it doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm impressed by your self-control, I really wished you would have voted me when I taunted you ... Then again being cold-blooded is more of a scum thing.

[Cheery Dog]

I use them to mark posts that I think would be valuable to take a second look at in future, that may be more clarified in terms of alignment. They're posts that I find out of the ordinary.

It seems after just checking I mucked up my memory in which game/alignment I'd seen you use those "interesting"s before, while I still don't like it, it does clear you slightly on meta)

[Cheery Dog]

@Otoileta, I haven't really agreed with my attackers anywhere afaik; some of them simply made some valid points that I acknowledged, and and I responded to them as best as I could. attacking them would only appear to be blatant OMGUS, which would only worsen the current case against me

So if you agree that you made yourself look scummy, then there is no reason as to why the town shouldn't lynch you, isn't there ? I fail to understand your reasoning. You allegedly did something to get a reaction out of someone but yet you don't actively interpret the results or pursue anything after that. It's almost as if you were waiting for the game to unfold. And unless you actually think I am scummy, you should do something better than letting it rot on myself.

Why do scum want to make themselves look scummy?

You're seriously making bad attack after bad attack and ignoring the repercussions of people trying to get your motivation from them when the conversation continues and I think I've found what I'm meant to be doing with my vote other than leave it on goodmorning.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: otolia

[Malakittens]

Sorry guys. I need to do this tomorrow my head is currently spinning so I need to take meds and go to bed. Good news I get off from work early, but also go in a decent time so if I'm able to get up early might be done before I go into work.

[fferyllt]

@Otoileta, I haven't really agreed with my attackers anywhere afaik; some of them simply made some valid points that I acknowledged, and and I responded to them as best as I could. attacking them would only appear to be blatant OMGUS, which would only worsen the current case against me

So if you agree that you made yourself look scummy, then there is no reason as to why the town shouldn't lynch you, isn't there ? I fail to understand your reasoning. You allegedly did something to get a reaction out of someone but yet you don't actively interpret the results or pursue anything after that. It's almost as if you were waiting for the game to unfold. And unless you actually think I am scummy, you should do something better than letting it rot on myself.

Why do scum want to make themselves look scummy?

You're seriously making bad attack after bad attack and ignoring the repercussions of people trying to get your motivation from them when the conversation continues and I think I've found what I'm meant to be doing with my vote other than leave it on goodmorning.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: otolia

Where in the quoted post do you get the bolded from?

[Cheery Dog]

@Otoileta, I haven't really agreed with my attackers anywhere afaik; some of them simply made some valid points that I acknowledged, and and I responded to them as best as I could. attacking them would only appear to be blatant OMGUS, which would only worsen the current case against me

So if you agree that you made yourself look scummy, then there is no reason as to why the town shouldn't lynch you, isn't there ?

I fail to understand your reasoning. You allegedly did something to get a reaction out of someone but yet you don't actively interpret the results or pursue anything after that. It's almost as if you were waiting for the game to unfold. And unless you actually think I am scummy, you should do something better than letting it rot on myself.

Why do scum want to make themselves look scummy?

You're seriously making bad attack after bad attack and ignoring the repercussions of people trying to get your motivation from them when the conversation continues and I think I've found what I'm meant to be doing with my vote other than leave it on goodmorning.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: otolia

Where in the quoted post do you get the bolded from?

Wherever you misplaced the now underlined sentence when reading.

[fferyllt]

The underlined sentence doesn't say anything about scum

wanting

to make themselves look scummy. It says that MeowMix agreed that his posts did look scummy.

You could argue that's an overstatement.

[Superdeclan]

@cheery, you're taking this a bit to far. He didn't say that.

[havingfitz]

Syryana...why does SD voting auspicious interest you?

@Cheery....your Post 139 wrt SD seems like a reach. How is wanting to know why someone is being voted...performing an ISO on that person...and subsequently finding that person scummy a bad thing? Every lynch involves a bandwagon so why knock SD for joining one?

Still good with my auspicious vote for the time being.

[Cheery Dog]

@cheery, you're taking this a bit to far. He didn't say that.

It's how I interpreted what he was saying, if scum are agreeing that they look scummy, then they're bviously wanting to look scummy. You can phrase the question differently, but I'm not seeing scum motivation behind MM's posts (or even what Otolia claims MM had been doing)

@Cheery....your Post 139 wrt SD seems like a reach. How is wanting to know why someone is being voted...performing an ISO on that person...and subsequently finding that person scummy a bad thing? Every lynch involves a bandwagon so why knock SD for joining one?

It's more that he also made the whole case there including the apparent slip and whatnot seems to be overeagerness to join it.

[Otolia]

@Zaicon

: In prevision of the next vote-count, I request a prod of 666 whose activity in this thread is meager compared to what he does in other similar games.

[Syryana]

Syryana...why does SD voting auspicious interest you?

Gut feeling. His bandwagon jumpery was pretty blatant. Makes him worth keeping an eye on.

[havingfitz]

Syryana...why does SD voting auspicious interest you?

Gut feeling. His bandwagon jumpery was pretty blatant. Makes him worth keeping an eye on.

Could you elaborate on this seeing as how he's been on the same two wagons as you?

[goodmorning]

So all I missed today was Syr agreeing with me as per OOOOOOOOO and a couple debates over semantics.
Cool stuff, bros.



Actually that's not quite true, Cheery's point on Sd is something I'll surely be looking in to when I get home.

[DCLXVI]

Apologies for not posting as much as I should have been. This is my attempt to get caught back up.

Reads will come later, though you can probably guess some of them from this.

Spoiler:

I don't do RVS.

I do (begrudgingly)...

VOTE: fferyllt

The reason I don't like this vote by fitz is that the no RVS issue with fferylt had already been resolved. His meta clearly showed that he was playing as he normally did, it was a bad vote and a poor attempt to join a bandwagon.

RVS is meta as fuck.
VOTE: fferyllt

Also not liking this and not sure how I missed it early. In fact, it is worse because he acknowledges the meta discussion and dismisses it without any good reasons for doing so. IMO there are a lot of times when meta isn't very clear. This was not one of them ferrylt was playing according to her meta which makes her non-participation in RVS a null tell.

Because you've not made a single reference to my RVS joke on you. If you were town, you'd have laughed about it like we did in that newbie game, since half that game was me yelling at you for that joke.

Since you ignored it, that means you don't like the attention, ergo you're scum.

This is just stupid, not scummy stupid, or town stupid, just stupid.

You mean this?

if by good you mean extremely risky and pretty hilarious, then yes I agree

P-edit: VOTE: MeowMix

actually I was trying to not attract attention to it deliberately to see how other people were gonna react to it

I had a good chuckle IRL if that means anything to you

Interesting little test by Sry. I don't know how conclusive/accurate the test would, however MM's reaction in ^ this post comes off to me as a complete lie or justification. It's seems incredibly ingenue and not to mention unrealistic do to his join date. I don't think a new player would actually think that deep into an early game action like that when he didn't evenknow the significance of Sry's test most likely until Sry announced it.

VOTE: MeowMix

Two crappy votes, this is why I don't like the meow wagon.

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Not liking USC's posts 44-46, his push on meomix does not seem genuine.

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actually I was trying to not attract attention to it deliberately to see how other people were gonna react to it

I had a good chuckle IRL if that means anything to you

You wanted to see the reaction of people to your not trying to attract attention?

I think think that's bs.

VOTE: MeowMix

missrepping in order to join a wagon. I think that's strike two now against fitz.

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@goodmorning 55, IDC if you are a cat, you are annoying.
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I think we should create a cat voting block. DEATH TO THE DOGS.

In all seriousness, I take back what I said in post 15. I'm not seeing meow as scum for that joke post.

vote:havingfitz

for his terrible vote on fferylt right after I had pulled up fferylt's meta.

.... is this for real? You're voting fitz because of an RVS vote?

If this is serious, what the hell. If it's not, why are you still in RVS-mode?

When I use the phrase "in all seriousness" that means I'm not in RVS mode.

As I explained early in this post. Fitz's RVS post was bad considering the context of it with me having already posted confirming fferylt meta. Yes, it is possible for someone to make a scumm RVS vote. We get out of RVS by finding scummy RVS posts by other players.

Omg, you just discovered the name of one of my EM accounts. Take out 'the'

This post itself gives me scummy vibes. Rvs is over

Of course RVS was over, again please pay attention to the word "serious" and my explanation of my vote.

No, 666's vote is terrible because he's basing it off an RVS vibe. He's got much better targets around, such as MM for scummy responses or some of the folks on MM's wagon (which other people have pointed out but I can't be arsed to quote). I didn't get a scummy vibe off fitz's RVS and I don't see how 666 did. The partners comment came from 666's lack of justification for thinking MM town and subsequent vote on fitz for reasons that I believe to be very shaky.

Its perfectly ok to make a page two vote off of an RVS vibe (actually, now that I think about it, all the votes on MM are for things that started in RVS, wait, you can vote for RVS stuff but I can't HYPOCRISY)

In all honesty, I'm not sure. I'd actually be okay with a MM lynch today, as it'll benefit us either way (if he's town, he'll be a tough read later on; if he's scum/SK, great. The only bad outcome is if he's PR). He could easily be noobscum, but I still don't have a concrete read on him.

Town lynches are never good. You don't lynch someone cause you are shitty as reading them, that's bullshit, You lynch someone ONLY because you read them as scum. That is the only legitimate reason to be wanting to lynch someone.

I agree with Sry on the DC situation.

So you are on stupid pills too? Ok.

Though I'm one to talk at this point, I feel like noobtown is a liability in LYLO/MYLO. Sorry if I didn't phrase that well before.

That's what vigs are for.

Spoiler: 666's vote despite the flow of the game

So you think that it is bad that I am not sheeping everyone else and rolling with the crowd. Lolz, I like to think for myself.

Requesting a prod on Cygnus.

Cygnus has now been prodded.

...scummy things can happen in RVS too...

Any time now.

It was kinda weird that you retracted a random vote on me based on a scan for my RVS meta. Random votes don't need justification and don't need refutation.

Well, my vote was random random, it was for the reason of you not doing RVS. And once my reason was shown to be invalid, I decided to place my vote somewhere else.

Malakittens replaces Cygnus.

Hi there, you are in so many of my recent games I swear you are stalking me

[Zaicon]

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