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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:04 am

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What good is effort if you've decided you're not considering to lynch anyone else?
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:05 am

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Wisdom wrote:but found it a good point when Xeg said the same things in different words.
And I have explained several times that Xeg was saying "elvis is possibly scummy for totally backseat driving this wagon without a vote on it"

Whereas you were saying "elvis is scummy for not being cautious about an L-1 vote". If that was a segue from an argument about the fact that elvis had not been interested in voting xeg beforehand at all, then yes, I did miss that part of the argument and I'm sorry.
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:08 am

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In post 650, Wisdom wrote:What good is effort if you've decided you're not considering to lynch anyone else?
I'm talking about your general demeanor this whole day. It's been the same un-town bullshit since the day started.
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:13 am

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And if I have one problem with Majiffy it's that he is, in the last few pages, acting exactly like he was acting in Open 454 wherein I led town around by the dick the whole game and he was content to let me do that while soft buddying me but otherwise not interacting with me outside of fluff.

This is why his early pushes made me think yay happy town for Majiffy.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:16 am

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Majiffy has heavily pushed Mothrax and Pala, both of which are probably town, so it's not unlikely at all that this is scum-Majiffy. His reasons were really bad too.
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:22 am

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That's not even close to good enough:

1) Those slots have not flipped yet so if you're town you can't possibly know that much less use it as any credible reason
2) Majiffy is nigh famous for bussing as scum

I am going to revisit his reasons on those wagons though.
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:23 am

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Well he voted Xegarus at one point too, maybe that was the bussing.
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:26 am

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those slots HAVE NOT FLIPPED YET so you're basically saying "Majiffy has voted three people, one of them was probably scum"

Yeah, probably -- I'd put it at above a 50% chance even. So what?
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:28 am

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I don't care who has flipped and who hasn't; I consider those two town and I've seen Majiffy pushing their lynches for bullshit reasons. It's enough for me.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:29 am

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Yeah as recently as #543 you were leaning town on Majiffy and that was waaaaay after all that shit happened.

What changed?
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:30 am

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I rarely see majiffy provide good reasons for his vote. Fuck in a game we played together I found scum and majiffy got all the credit and people just thought I bussed.

majiffy not giving reasons is par for the course imo
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:33 am

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@bork
His not budging tunneling annoys me. He's not even willing to consider another lynch. And note that he has tunneled on me in the past.
But it's true that it's not unlike town-Majiffy to be like this.

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I have to agree with this, and that's why I am not sure whether Majiffy is scum or not.
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:34 am

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In post 660, Jake from State Farm wrote:I rarely see majiffy provide good reasons for his vote. Fuck in a game we played together I found scum and majiffy got all the credit and people just thought I bussed.

majiffy not giving reasons is par for the course imo
Can you describe what made this look like Majiffy's town play early on to you? Because I agree but I find I can't articulate it very well.
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:35 am

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@Wisdom -- 658 looks like you're trying to call Majiffy scum ("that's enough for me"). Are you not doing that?
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:38 am

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No, I meant that's enough for me to consider him being scum. I don't argue he certainly is.
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:39 am

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In post 662, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 660, Jake from State Farm wrote:I rarely see majiffy provide good reasons for his vote. Fuck in a game we played together I found scum and majiffy got all the credit and people just thought I bussed.

majiffy not giving reasons is par for the course imo
Can you describe what made this look like Majiffy's town play early on to you? Because I agree but I find I can't articulate it very well.
mainly gut, I don't recall if I have ever played with majiffy as scum but all of his earlier posts reminded me of games we played. I could be reading him wrong but I don't see anything scum motivated. The only thing that really stood out was the vote on mothax who committed what i took as a town tell.
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:40 am

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@Jake: thanks.

@Wisdom: can you give updated reads for me?
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:41 am

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In post 558, Jake from State Farm wrote:I was suspicious of elvis but he made some good points so I am less so.
What are the good points that elvis made?
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:45 am

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In post 666, borkjerfkin wrote:@Wisdom: can you give updated reads for me?
Town - mothrax, chkflip
Nulltown - Jake, bork, Mac
Null - Majiffy
Nullscum - elvis, Xegarus


Not finding an elvis-Xegarus pair so likely because of their exchange, but one should be scum.
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:50 am

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In post 667, Wisdom wrote:
In post 558, Jake from State Farm wrote:I was suspicious of elvis but he made some good points so I am less so.
What are the good points that elvis made?
things that read town
post 188 when he calls out CE (interesting note CE basically vanishes and never comes back and is replaced after this so + scum points for CE/Mac)
post 192 - basically repeats post 188 (doesn't want town to forget that)
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:52 am

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Blood from a stone! that's a little better and it's making me less wanting to (what amounts to a policy) lynch you. That said I don't know that I have a strong enough scumread on anyone else. If Elvis is replaced hopefully we'll get an extension.

I agree that the Xeg/Elvis pair has a snowball's chance in hell.
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:53 am

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Jake, CE's vote that elvis talked about was very obviously a lazily handled RVS transition. I don't think her points there had any merit.
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:58 am

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In post 671, borkjerfkin wrote:Jake, CE's vote that elvis talked about was very obviously a lazily handled RVS transition. I don't think her points there had any merit.
fair point, well then the point about Xeg I thought was good.
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:06 am

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In post 669, Jake from State Farm wrote: things that read town
post 188 when he calls out CE (interesting note CE basically vanishes and never comes back and is replaced after this so + scum points for CE/Mac)
post 192 - basically repeats post 188 (doesn't want town to forget that)
post 465/466
People replacing out is not a scumtell, so this is null at best and scummy because of scum wanting to accuse someone with shitty reasons at worst.
465/466 is her being tunneled on Xegarus, to the point of ignoring whatever else is happening in the game just to talk about Xegarus. Easily could come from scum. Null at best if we assume she didn't feel like talking about anything else, which seems unlikely to me.

So I am not sure why you are getting town vibes from those.
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:42 am

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In post 653, borkjerfkin wrote:And if I have one problem with Majiffy it's that he is, in the last few pages, acting exactly like he was acting in Open 454 wherein I led town around by the dick the whole game and he was content to let me do that while soft buddying me but otherwise not interacting with me outside of fluff.
:lol: That was a good time, wasn't it? :lol:
In post 660, Jake from State Farm wrote:Fuck in a game we played together I found scum and majiffy got all the credit and people just thought I bussed.
It's cuz I did all the pushing and yelling. :wink:

Also lol @ all of Wisdom's arguments. It's like he's never even played with me.
"But, but... SOMETHING MAJIFFY DOES IN EVERY GAME!"
"Yeah but he does that in every game"
"Ok but... but... SOMETHING HE DOES ALL THE TIME!"
"Yeah, but he does that all the time"

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