Micro 151: Mafia in New-Newbie Land (Game over!)

[Wisdom]

Unless you're scum, in which case it makes total sense that you're tunneling on me.

Majiffy has heavily pushed Mothrax and Pala, both of which are probably town, so it's not unlikely at all that this is scum-Majiffy. His reasons were really bad too.

Well he voted Xegarus at one point too, maybe that was the bussing.

I don't care who has flipped and who hasn't; I consider those two town and I've seen Majiffy pushing their lynches for bullshit reasons. It's enough for me.

This is not "it's not unlikely for him to be scum" behavior, this is "I think he's scum and I'm trying to see how far I can push his lynch" until no one else supported it and you started walking me back to null and then putting forth Elvis and Xeg scum reads.

Eat rope.

No, this is me saying that it's not unlikely for you to be scum. I even say it in those exact words in the second quote. Unless tunneling makes you illiterate or blind.

[borkjerfkin]

@Xeg: And I assume you think Elvis is scummier? So why not just say that you want elvis lynched because she's a more confident scumread to you than Wisdom instead of this stupid crap you're pulling?

[Wisdom]

If wisdom is so confirmed scum to you, why not save the easy one for last? Work out the partner first. We have the time to jump onto elvis.

I really can't see this coming from town.

VOTE: Xegarus

If he hammers me, please rope him tomorrow.

[Xegarus]

Cause im high and i thought it was pretty obvious who i thought was scummier by the mere fact that i was already voting the person in question.

[borkjerfkin]

this fuckin game.

[Majiffy]

Oh wow you used an exact phrase lets key in on that instead of looking at the big picture yeah that'll strengthen your argument lets do that.

[Wisdom]

The big picture is that I said you might be scum, no matter how much you want to discredit me.

[Xegarus]

Yep bork, this game. This day has dragged on long enough. I dont care if you lynch me, so long as you lynch the shit out of elvis when i flip town.

[Majiffy]

The big picture is that I said you might be scum, no matter how much you want to discredit me.

The big picture is you're pushing all those arguments from the perspective of thinking I'm confscum. Which is not what a null read should be influencing you to post like.

[borkjerfkin]

Why should I do that? I don't have a fucking very good read on elvis and you flipping town probably isn't going to change that

[Wisdom]

The big picture is that I said you might be scum, no matter how much you want to discredit me.

The big picture is you're pushing all those arguments from the perspective of thinking I'm confscum. Which is not what a null read should be influencing you to post like.

Are you reading a different game than the rest of us? Where do you see me considering you confscum? I just mentioned the possibility of you being scum and how some actions like your votes would make sense in that possibility. That doesn't mean "Majiffy is confscum, period, case closed."

[borkjerfkin]

Wisdom you used circular reasoning when you talked about Majiffy possibly being scum on the last page; "this explains his actions if you assume he's scum" is not how you prove someone is scum.

[Majiffy]

Well he voted Xegarus at one point too,

maybe that was the bussing.

This speculation is pointless if not for a flip or confscum read. And beyond pointless, also doesn't make sense if not for a scum flip or confscum read.

It's enough for me.

Enough for you to... what? Consider me "not unlikely" to be scum? Well jeez, 2/9 probability, call me dumbfounded how you came up with that notion! No. This statement is not made by someone who ends with a null read.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom you used circular reasoning when you talked about Majiffy possibly being scum on the last page; "this explains his actions if you assume he's scum" is not how you prove someone is scum.

Except I didn't want to prove he's scum but to bring up the possibility that he might be scum.

[Wisdom]

Actually not even bring up, since you brought it up. It was just my thoughts on the matter.

[borkjerfkin]

I mean as town you should be considered with what is probable, not what is possible. Otherwise we don't get anywhere.

I don't think anything's getting me to switch my vote today.

[borkjerfkin]

Except I didn't want to prove he's scum but to bring up the possibility that he might be scum.

Do you not understand that this is

self-evident

to everyone with a town alignment in the game?

[Wisdom]

Well he voted Xegarus at one point too,

maybe that was the bussing.

This speculation is pointless if not for a flip or confscum read. And beyond pointless, also doesn't make sense if not for a scum flip or confscum read.

bork mentioned that you usually bus, I told him about a possible scenario that a vote of you could be bussing. Makes absolute sense, no confscum reads or anything. Just a possibility.

It's enough for me.

Enough for you to... what? Consider me "not unlikely" to be scum? Well jeez, 2/9 probability, call me dumbfounded how you came up with that notion! No. This statement is not made by someone who ends with a null read.

That was explained already - I said it's enough for me to think that you might be scum, because bork was arguing that it's not enough to get that impression from that. Which I disagreed with.

[Wisdom]

Except I didn't want to prove he's scum but to bring up the possibility that he might be scum.

Do you not understand that this is

self-evident

to everyone with a town alignment in the game?

That's irrelevant. I am about to get lynched for some time now, so I am trying to give whatever thoughts I can to the town for future use. You mentioned Majiffy, so you got my thoughts on the matter. You got reasons why he might be scum. I didn't want to argue that he's scum and he's a good lynch, and I think that's obvious. I merely gave my thoughts on the subject you brought up.

[borkjerfkin]

You got reasons why he might be scum. I didn't want to argue that he's scum and he's a good lynch, and I think that's obvious.

Then the town response is "I'm currently unsure / I have conflicting reads / I have a null read on Majiffy" and then we drop it.

Not "Majiffy might be scum" everyone

might

be scum, to me. That doesn't help me. Town wants to close improbable avenues of exploration; scum wants to open all avenues of exploration regardless of probability, and that looks like what you were doing.

[chkflip]

k so, considering posts by themselves, I'd say the following:

TOWN - Xeg, mothrax, Elvis, Mac

NULL - bork, Wisdom, Jiffy, Jake

MOST LIKELY SCUM - Wisdom, bork, Jake

POSSIBLE TEAMS - Wisdom/Elvis, bork/Jiffy, Jake/Jiffy, Xeg/Elvis - These are all through your interactions with each other.

I sincerely don't want to hammer Wisdom, but will to avoid no lynch because duh.

bork, the question was in jest since you said it was impossible.

Jiff, I assume you're saying I'm Wisdom's scum partner? And regardless of Wisdom's flip, I'm scum and should be lynched tomorrow, right?

[Wisdom]

I had already said multiple times and still say that the only alternative lynches if we decided not to lynch me are Xegarus or elvis. In no way did I want to add Majiffy to those. I just shared what I thought about him because you brought him up.

Of course everyone might be scum, but some reads are stronger than others, and Majiffy is more likely to be scum than most others, at least imo.

[chkflip]

EBWODP: Oh, right, you were scum in 161. That explains it and moves bork to the town slot.

[Wisdom]

Why the hell do you think both Xeg and elvis are town. That's ridiculously unlikely.

[Wisdom]

And a xeg/Elvis as possible team..

did you really read

this

game?