Mini 1427 - Slenderman Mafia - Game Over

[Mr_Ree]

Except for the fact that Yates will get an innocent on me in addition to AJ's result when he investigates AJ.

[Aj The Epic]

Really? Wasn't my impression of a hider.

[Mr_Ree]

Any action that targets my target will also affect me. Any action that targets me while hiding will fail.

So yeah, Yates should have results on everyone tomorrow.

[Mr_Ree]

Is everyone cool with the plan? Any other ideas or questions?

[Ms Marangal]

no, why are you ignoring me Ree?

[Mr_Ree]

What am i ignoring?

The chance of you being scum? It's worked in.

Your Ascetic comment? That will be proven false tomorrow.

Your agreement with the plan? It's good, one of my best yet. You should agree with it. Thank you for doing so. What I'm looking for is consensus. The way I see it, the only people who can be nightkilled tonight are me and you. I'll admit, it's banking heavily on the missing night kills either being targetted at me or no kills. I still say if Yates lost his BP during either of those two nights, he would be dead by now.

Then again, if Mhork is the last scum, this ends the game.

It's just nice to have a backup plan sometimes. This was the best I could come up with and the only way to get the rest of the unconfirmed players investigated. With 5 players and one scum left, they pretty much have to make a kill to make it Mylo tomorrow. By controlling the options, we can control the outcome. Either Ms. M. dies tonight or I do. Either one will tell us what we need to know. If I die, it's Ms. M, if Ms. M dies, it's AJ. By then Yates will have investigation results on everyone and we can finally end this.

[Ms Marangal]

My ascetic comment, I brought up that possibility and it perfectly explains why Yates would get a no result on you if he really is the cop.

The plan is good, but I'm not entirely sure that I can be comfortable with it, especially since I'm doubting that Mhork is actually scum based off what he has done in the last couple days. IMO, his actions don't really match scum behavior

[Aj The Epic]

So... What happens if I get shot?

[Mr_Ree]

Hopefully you're still BP and it kills me only

[Mr_Ree]

We've all agreed to lynch Mhork because we think he's scum right?

Are people changing their minds? This entire idea is based around a Mhork lynch.

[Mr_Ree]

My ascetic comment, I brought up that possibility and it perfectly explains why Yates would get a no result on you if he really is the cop.

The plan is good, but I'm not entirely sure that I can be comfortable with it, especially since I'm doubting that Mhork is actually scum based off what he has done in the last couple days. IMO, his actions don't really match scum behavior

Me being a hider explains that just as well, if not better. It also explains why I attempted to draw the night kill for the first few days.

We are quickly running out of options and lynching Mhork is the best way to cover all our bases. It's the only way to get results on the three players who haven't been copped yet by tomorrow.

[Aj The Epic]

VOTE: Mhork

Let's take the scum down.

[Mr_Ree]

So I take it the plan works for you, AJ?

let Mhork speak his piece before any lynch happens. I'm not going to let any quicklynch happen if I have any say in the matter.

[Aj The Epic]

I don't have any part in it, Ree. BP townie does not do anything but be BP.

[Mr_Ree]

Well, lets hope you are who you say and Mhork is the last scum. Plans start to go sideways when it comes down to Ms. M. Logic falls apart completely with a scum Yates. I still say the setup needs the investigation role. Seeing as how that aspect was stripped from my role, I have no problem believing Yates now that everyone has claimed.

@Mhork, you should be back soon. You cool with this plan? If you're town, you still win with us.

Also, final comments are appreciated. Who do you think is scum and why? Any ammendments to the plan? Any holes you can see?

[Ms Marangal]

This whole thing feels Awry and I'm worried about today being Lylo and Mhork flipping town. I can't however think of any flaws with the proposed plan so I can't really say that I'm opposed to it.

Mod: I'll be V/LA until Wednesday

[Yates]

There aren't really flaws in the plan so much as in the way you are claiming [or think] your role works.

1. If AJ is still BP and you hide behind him and AJ gets targeted for a NK you would both live. I don't know if I just messed up some screwy wifom attempt by you to have AJ targeted by scum or if you don't know how a hider works but it's too late in the game for gambits and our cards needs to be on the table because Town confusion is not good for us right now.

2. An investigation on AJ with you hiding behind him is still just an investigation on AJ. Your presence in his "house," so to speak, is irrelevant.

Please feel free to have mod verify these as fact if at all possible.

[Lord Mhork]

Well I can look at this after school better, but based on the one page of posting, it looks like you are dumb and have decided to lynch me whilst grasping at straws. Whatev's.

VOTE: AJ

Best bet is scum here. If Yates absolutely is convinced I'm scum, he should investigate me. There is abso-fucking-lutely no real lynchworthy case on me except bad PoE. My favourite part is that AJ is somehow cleared on claiming bulletproof. >_>
That's stupid and doesn't make sense. I'll be on tonight if I don't get quickhammered or something.

[Mr_Ree]

There aren't really flaws in the plan so much as in the way you are claiming [or think] your role works.

1. If AJ is still BP and you hide behind him and AJ gets targeted for a NK you would both live. I don't know if I just messed up some screwy wifom attempt by you to have AJ targeted by scum or if you don't know how a hider works but it's too late in the game for gambits and our cards needs to be on the table because Town confusion is not good for us right now.

2. An investigation on AJ with you hiding behind him is still just an investigation on AJ. Your presence in his "house," so to speak, is irrelevant.

Please feel free to have mod verify these as fact if at all possible.

I double checked both my role pm and my role clarification pm. My role states that if I hide behind someone and that someone is targetted
with an action, said action affects both of us. I assume an investigation would affect both of us. I'm also assuming if I hide behind AJ and he is BP and targetted with the nightkill, it affects us both. He loses his BP and I die.

That's how I understand my role. I'm sure if I am understanding my role incorrectly, Piggy will let me know again.

@Piggy, am I understanding the hider role correctly?

Mhork, we can't afford to do this any other way. You have to be cleared one way or the other and AJ has to be the one to get investigated tonight.

I'll hold off your lynch to give you a chance to give your final reads and say what needs to be said but then we gotta lynch you. Sorry dude.

[Lord Mhork]

And why, praytell, do I have to be the one to die? What if this is LyLo? Then this plan is shit, no?

[Lord Mhork]

I'm not gonna give 'final' reads. I'm not scum. Lynching me is a very bad move for the town.

[Aj The Epic]

You're pretty against this plan.

[Lord Mhork]

No shit, Sherlock. >_>

[Mr_Ree]

And why, praytell, do I have to be the one to die? What if this is LyLo? Then this plan is shit, no?

No. Still makes sense from my perspective. I'm a town hider, Yates is the cop, he confirmed Ms.M.

If this is Lylo, there are still two mafioso out there. From where I stand, there's two unconfirmed players. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that scenario. Lynch one, investigate the other.

From other player perspectives, there are three unconfirmed, the last being me. In this particular game there is only one way to investigate two players. I hide behind the person getting investigated. Unfortunately that gets really iffy if the person I hide behind isn't BP or scum.

It leaves the door open for a double kill. The only way to prevent it, is to hide behind someone bullet proof who is unconfirmed so we can both be investigated. A huge advantage for town going into Mylo.

It doesn't work any other way. You are, unfortunately, trapped by circumstances beyond your control.

If you are town, walk softly into the night and know that your death is for the greater good. Your sacrifice will be richly rewarded with everlasting winning. Epic winning. Charlie Sheen style...

...boo yeah!

If you are scum, take solace in the fact that I will be epic winning.

Either way, good stuff!

[Lord Mhork]

Ree, you're a moron. You know that if there are two scums, my death means instaloss, right? You'll confirm me as town only because the mod will announce which scums won.

You're plan is bad. And it doesn't make sense. You're gonna kill the town, Ree.