NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[Smashbard]

Precisely. Which means I think it's pretty safe to say I'm not lynching him at the moment.

I'm thinking Oversoul or Rofl today. Which from the sound of the majority seems like Rofl is unlikely, so we should lynch Oversoul today.

If we're wrong about him, then lynch Peregrine if people still aren't sure about Rofl.

I think the last scum has to be within one of Oversoul, Rofl or Peregrine, with Peregrine in last place. If it's Jacob, than good game I guess. Because I can't see myself lynching him over the other 3.

[Smashbard]

Vote: Oversoul

[Oversoul]

Town

Human Destroyer

roflcopter

Null-Town
Konowa
ActionDan
ZONEACE
Dramonic

Null
Go
Nobody Special
KingdomAces
Smashbard

Null-Scum
wind-up
Bacde
PeregrineV

Scum

MrZepher
petapan

I want to note here that not only does Jacob have HD listed as a town read, he also has two of the other scum listed as his scum reads. Additionally, he has the ROLECOP as a town read along with two goons as his scum reads. I think he was trying to create a distance/bussing scenario so that he would look better if everyone flipped. Having a large null-group like that is an excellent way to try and "tie" yourself to people for their potential mislynch after your own death. In short, I think this post is fake and I think Jacob was trying to setup distancing/bussing for later in the game.

Prodded.


I'm interested in a HD wagon for now so
VOTE: Human Destroyer

After Zepher's lynch, he goes after the HD wagon without any verbal confirmation on his side as to why. This could have been the result of night talk between his scumbuddies saying "bus for credit" or something to that nature in order to try and either forestall a lynch on someone else or to look better to the town.

UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: HD

Again, no verbal reasoning, but a jump from a popular wagon to his rolecop I think is interesting. He probably thought he wouldn't get away with a vote on NS and so decided to try and distance some more by bussing the rolecop.
This reminds me of GreyIce style scum play where in he will bus the scum member with the most useful role in order to look town and then once people push against him saying that he was bussing he retorts with "Why would I push a scum PR when there are goons?".

Someone hammer HD.

NS get on me tonight, we can prove this me thinks.

After his claim, looks like a potential crumb for a fakeclaim in the future.

I'm not entirely sure why he would ever say this as a vanilla townie. He can admit to trying to fakeclaim as a gambit, but that time has passed now.

Especially considering since he claimed after Zone made an ominous statement that implied he had more knowledge of the setup here

KingdomAces -

Day Mason

Smashbard -

Day Mason

JacobSavage -
roflcopter -
petapan -
Oversoul -
ZONEACE -
PeregrineV -
Bacde -

What does everyone think of this order for claimage?

My only concern is going after Peta, so I'm okay.

So yea...

VOTE: Jacbo

Him trying to setup lynches by lining up the nonconfirmed townies with his name last looks suspicious as fuck too.

Bye bye scumbag.

[Oversoul]

I'm thinking Oversoul or Rofl today. Which from the sound of the majority seems like Rofl is unlikely, so we should lynch Oversoul today.

If we're wrong about him, then lynch Peregrine if people still aren't sure about Rofl.

I'm town and I think rofl is town so that is probably a bad idea to burn lynches like that.

[Oversoul]

And just in case no one asks this in the future might as well do it now

Mod, if a Gunsmith investigates a Godfather, what result will the gunsmith receive?

[KingdomAces]

Haven't done the ISO'ing yet, just checking in to say that if anyone has any specific questions for me or things to look at, then I'll see them and that would probably be easier for me than just rereading since I'm kind of lazy.

Also, this is another call to Jacob to explain what he meant by 1292, and for Rofl to just say something if he's reading.

Oversoul, I'm fairly sure that Mafia Doctor is the role that gives a false negative to gunsmiths, with Godfathers still giving positives.

[roflcopter]

antiprod

i'll be here sometime today

[JacobSavage]

In regards to 1292 I was trying to draw a Nightkill.

It was quite simple.

[roflcopter]

isn't that the opposite of what asking for a jailkeep on you does?

[JacobSavage]

Not quite.

If NS was scum I could quite easily see me being killed on the grounds that "I though he was joking" because it would be awkward if I got a "result".

If he was town I knew he was going to die and then the next night I could reasonable expect to be killed thus avoiding losing another PR.

Simples x

[roflcopter]

vote: jacobsavage

oversoul is town. its jacob or peregrine. this sudden song and dance about 1292 reeks of bullshit. he's trying to retcon away the foundations he was laying for a fakeclaim.

[JacobSavage]

Yeah um no.

Try again?

I think its Oversoul to be honest. Then Pere then you.

VOTE: Oversoul

[MattP]

And just in case no one asks this in the future might as well do it now

Mod, if a Gunsmith investigates a Godfather, what result will the gunsmith receive?

It would return "no gun".

[JacobSavage]

Okay right even so that pretty much confirms Smash and KA leaving only Bacde as questionable.

Carry on as normal.

[Smashbard]

Jacob setting up for a fake claim doesn't make any sense considering he offered to claim first and immediately claimed Vanilla. Chances are he was just trying to save Nobody Special from a kill.

I'm guessing both Jacob and Bacde have tried the whole "Look at me scum, don't kill the power roles, because I've got something going on!" when in reality they probably don't.

Given that information, and Peregrines defenses seeming really genuine, I'm pretty much sold on Oversoul or Rofl being the last scum.

If I'm wrong, on both accounts and the town ends up in Lylo, you guys probably want to follow Aces suspicions on there being a Mafia Doctor or Godfather and lynch Bacde at the very end. Or whatever. I won't be alive til that point anyway. Unless Scum really really wanna hand us the game and continue to keep the Masons alive.

[JacobSavage]

Personally I think that we should be lynching from:

Smash, KA and Bcade.

>_>

[Smashbard]

That's a fantastic idea.

[JacobSavage]

Mine are always the best.

[Bacde]

Jacob setting up for a fake claim doesn't make any sense considering he offered to claim first and immediately claimed Vanilla. Chances are he was just trying to save Nobody Special from a kill.

I'm guessing both Jacob and Bacde have tried the whole "Look at me scum, don't kill the power roles, because I've got something going on!" when in reality they probably don't.

Given that information, and Peregrines defenses seeming really genuine, I'm pretty much sold on Oversoul or Rofl being the last scum.

If I'm wrong, on both accounts and the town ends up in Lylo, you guys probably want to follow Aces suspicions on there being a Mafia Doctor or Godfather and lynch Bacde at the very end. Or whatever. I won't be alive til that point anyway. Unless Scum really really wanna hand us the game and continue to keep the Masons alive.

[PeregrineV]

I started with the post 88 where the Go-Human thing started.

Go calls Zephry scum, and then HD scum with him.

Human avoids mentioning Zephyr, but goes hard on Go.

Early smashbard posting:

I hardly consider one page of discussion tunneling. You both are overreacting to opposition.

Tell me why I shouldn't believe you are both scum trying to cause confusion by double bussing?

Actually you're just defending your crap partner MrZepher (hence the tunnel) and overreacting a ton and attempting to make a "case" on me which is just blatantly filler and crap.

Do you think Destroyerscum would be defending Mr. Zepher this obviously as a scum partner, when he's not even close to L-1, let alone L-2 or even L-3?

Oversoul replaces Go.

Triple ISO:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Human never attacks Oversoul again despite the early game clash, although does offer to vote him at some point, and does.

Oversoul has Human as his strongest townread.
Weak protection of Zephyr and later weak protection of Human.

[PeregrineV]

Two things.

One, mafia is generally 25%-33% of the players.

A 16 player game is kind of standard to have 4 scum.

Since this is an 18 player game, scum could be 4, 5, or 6. I want to think 4 because I want to think we are close to winning.

I fear 5 because of some of the interactions seem like there is more than one left.

[PeregrineV]

The second is, where the hell is the rofl townread from everyone coming from?

[Bacde]

^^Actually thats good thinking

we might have 2 scum left

if there were only 4 scum and 18 players, that would comprise less than 25% of the town, which is unlikely

Also there's no way that there is a mafia doctor in this game, as the only non-mafia killing role was a dayvig

Also, if there are 2 scum left then a gf is unlikely

[Bacde]

having 2 scum left would also help explain why it feels like too many of the 4 unconfirmeds are scummy

[PeregrineV]

Scum trifecta ISO:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

zepher

and

smash

are actually the best vig targets. if

zepher

flips scum

human destroyer

dies next.

No I don't.

If I do die next though, I get to laugh at you after you're proven wrong, fair?

Woah that escalated quickly

I killed

Trollie

based on an argument that I already answered for? If I recall he never responded to it either (could be wrong, haven't checked to be sure).
Like I know I'm not the towniest looking person but wtf. Use brain.
I seriously would have picked

Rofl

over

Trollie

in a heartbeat if I were scum and were picking off people who were suspicious of me (which is like, half the town mind).

Rofl

is probably scum with

JS

.

Actually I'm going to do this
VOTE: JacobSavage

iso pls and tell me you don't think he's scum.

I've voiced my opinion of

JS

since yesterday. Deal with it.

zomg thanks for saving me

konowa

(i'll read the dead thread soon enough to find out if you really did)

vote:

human destroyer

@

peta,

at the end of day one, why did you not sheep me onto

zepher

, as promised?

i would have but i think it wasn't viable at the time i wasn't paying a lot of attention

plus

greygnarl

pissed me off

basically i'm shit this game and i'm going to be taking a long break after this

tbh i thought

konowa

was scum going into today because his read on

zepher

disappeared yesterday

smashbard

is still town

zoneace

is town (unfortunately)

roflcopter'

s town

wind-up

is probably town

that's all i have i deleted my list because i had

zepher

as town and decided i should throw everything out

VOTE:

human destroyer

i follow you on this at least

shooting

dramonic

is always a pro play

lmao @

actiondan

trying to sell his crap

ActionDan

Oversoul
roflcopter
JacobSavage
PeregrineV

ZONEACE

petapan

Bacde

these are people that aren't conftown

taking

myself

off that list and

roflcopter

because well obv leaves me with

ActionDan

Oversoul
JacobSavage
PeregrineV

ZONEACE

Bacde

which means i only need 1 correct townread to win the game

one of

OS/AS

/

HD

is likely scum that got left behind voting

nobody specia

l so all of them are good lynch candidates atp, any combination of scum in the other three could have forced a lynch on NS

i have my reservations about all these dudes but i think

jacobsavage

is probably town so i don't need to worry about reading the other guys

VOTE:

actiondan

Rofl has no observable reasons for many of his votes.

well that's because you can't read implicitly

I mean, a

ZONEACE

lynch does sound tempting but I'm super skeptical of

roflcopter

right now

his scumgame from the last time i played with him was super weak, he pushed retarded reads and avoided bussing there's nothing to be skeptical of

Roflcopter

is just giving me all kinds of heeby jeebies. But

PetaPan

is defending him pretty hard, so since I usually have been trusting in

Peta

's reads, the only way I can trust that

Rofl

is scum is if

Peta

is his scumpartner.

Yeah.

##

Vote HD

However if this flips town for any reason

Rofl

gets lynched

actiondan

is still scum

Is

HD

flipping scum or not?

Say yes and stfu

hi remember this

Yeah I do. Is there something more you'd like to mention besides presenting this interaction.

Rofl

was acting as if he had a cop guilty on

HD

. But at the same time going out of his way to take a pot shot at me, which is illogical. When pressed, he voted me, which is something no cop with a guilty would do in that position.

Just some scum interaction about each other (I was looking for mentions of rofl) and thier "opinions".

Bolded are currently unconfirmed living players.