Mini 1446, Generic Mafia (Game Over)

[Human Destroyer]

*Checks*

So you weren't. My apologies. The principal of the question remains the same, though: If the original reason for the wagon was good and nothing came up afterward to make you question it, why are you only just now joining the wagon after it's dissipated?

Because I had different reasons for voting Palmar before and now I'm shifting my focus.

Are you scum w/ T S O HD?

No.

[Hoopla]

on ces - haven't got any town vibes coming from him yet, but it usually takes a while with him.

Are you anticipating town vibes?

ces isn't usually outright scummy (or maybe i don't look at the right things with him) - you catch him when you realise he isn't town. if that makes sense.

[Hoopla]

i agree it's weird for HD to comment on/question why the horus wagon was starting to fail, when he was never contributing to the cause in the first place. could just be filler rhetoric people use to justify a vote, but i think scum tend to emptily justify or cushion a vote more than town.

horus and HD aren't scum together though. that interaction last page was too genuine for scumbuddies to fake. horus would know for sure if one of his buddies had a vote on him at any stage - so him forgetting probably means it's a scum/town or town/town pairing.

[JacobSavage]

Votecount 1.6

T S O [3]

- IFM, Cogito Ergo Sum, Bacde

Fegelein [3]

- T S O, Zherom, Palmar

Zhero [2]

- Ankamius, Horus

Horus [2]

- Hoopla, Human Destroyer

Cognito Ergo Sum [1]

- roflcopter

Not Voting [0]

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-05-08 13:03:53)[/i][/area]

Ankamius is V/LA til Wednesday

[T S O]

ok hoopla is town

HD might be scum

lets get more votes on horus wooo

seems like soft omgus there

See I'm not sure where the fuck he gets this OMGUS thing from and he never explains it even when asked to.

It was bad oversight on my behalf. Bacde said "HD might be scum" and I read it as a soft backlash to a vote or something like that.

Except I'm voting him when Palmar gives me a valid explanation.

Both your cases are silly, so there's not really a 'valid explanation', but the way you say 'when' instead of 'if' really feels like you know Palmar's alignment.

Doubling down on your read of me when called out also feels overdefensive.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fegelein

As opposed to what? "If Palmar gives me an explanation" implies there's a chance he won't. If he doesn't then he will probably be lynched. That's ridiculous semantics.

I agree with this point actually, Zhero's push here is kinda bad, and if he's scum I don't think TSO would call out his scumbuddy so blatantly on it.

You can only judge a player on his own actions? Not really. If I give you as a townread and I flip scum, we look at you. And I have to say, Horus's wording is hilariously bad in that, it sounds manufactured as fuck and makes him seem like he wants to give the vote and is just waiting for an opportunity.

Scum

Zhero
T S O
Horus

Ok with lynching

Zhero
T S O
Horus

What a stupid post, you just try to reaffirm it by posting it twice. If I'm going to be called scum, at least say why.

I'm not sure if this is town genuinely frustrated by the fact that he's being called scum for no discernible reason or scum frustrated that they've been caught for no discernible reason.

I just do not understand where Bacde's assurance I am scum is coming from, though his insistence on drawing it back to me every time is really beginning to raise my suspicions.
"hd what do you think of TSO?"
after a post which doesn't hammer me as Bacde would like
"hd are you scum with TSO?
He seems to be sure I'm scum from ....nearly nothing at all.

I seriously don't think Zhero is his partner though, at the very least. I could see a TSO/Horus team though? Third could be Palmar or Fegelein at this point.

I could see CES scum, but I'm pretty sure TSO is like definitely scum

Why?

See above

Scum

Zhero
T S O
Horus

Ok with lynching

Zhero
T S O
Horus

Bacde gives 0 reasons why these are his reads, and just writes them twice for no reason. How on Earth could that look town?

@Bacde: why, in the above post, was I scum?

[Bacde]

a lot of it has to do w/ your overreaction to me just putting you on the "scum" list

[T S O]

Nah, that wasn't what I asked. Why was I on the scum list in the first place?

[roflcopter]

on ces - haven't got any town vibes coming from him yet, but it usually takes a while with him.

Are you anticipating town vibes?

ces isn't usually outright scummy (or maybe i don't look at the right things with him) - you catch him when you realise he isn't town. if that makes sense.

his response to my poking at him made me realize he isn't town

[Hoopla]

can you not quote whole conversations, TSO? i don't want to read all of that to understand the context of your responses. filter out what isn't necessary if you want it to be read.

[T S O]

Sorry mang, I'll do it in future.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Aren't you supposed to be a good player, 'copter?

[Bacde]

Nah, that wasn't what I asked. Why was I on the scum list in the first place?

I just didn't see anything to make you town, so I threw you on there

your reaction convinced me though

[roflcopter]

also, tso is unmarked for death due to ces' naked vote on him the moment i first marked him for death

[roflcopter]

Aren't you supposed to be a good player, 'copter?

look everyone! such a clever ad hom.

[Bacde]

ok rofl it looks like we have similar reasons for suspecting our scumspects

naturally I think T S O is a better place to vote

[Bacde]

I make light ad homs like that as town all the time though

[Fegelein]

Bacde's play correlates with his most recent Town meta for your information. Won't go into detail, because I am still alive in that game.

[Hoopla]

Bacde's play correlates with his most recent Town meta for your information. Won't go into detail, because I am still alive in that game.

don't mention it then.

roflcopter - explain the ces thing to me.

[Bacde]

lol fegel are you town in this game? I'm quite surprised

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Aren't you supposed to be a good player, 'copter?

look everyone! such a clever ad hom.

I could've been wrong. That would've been nice to know.

[Hoopla]

guys, can't we all just get along and lynch horus?

[T S O]

Unvote, vote: TSO

The naked vote.
Bacde, that seems coincidental and tacked-on. Not town =/= scum. That's a basic definition, and one you know. Not buying that at all.

[Bacde]

Unvote, vote: TSO

The naked vote.
Bacde, that seems coincidental and tacked-on. Not town =/= scum. That's a basic definition, and one you know. Not buying that at all.

what is tacked on and coincidental?

I don't even know what you are talking about

[roflcopter]

roflcopter - explain the ces thing to me.

i'll do my best. starting at the vc in

post 125

, where zhero is at five votes. up to this point ces gave zhero a rvs stage shoutout, but has been completely mum on the zhero wagon. directly following that postcount is bacde naming tso as one of his scumpicks, myself agreeing with that read by suggesting a different third scumpick, tso being a whiny baby about "reasons", myself marking tso for death and finally ces

naked voting tso

. don't get me wrong i'm a fan of a good naked vote, but this one just set off all my alarm bells because of the way it slinks in there as soon as bacde and i offer our consent for a tso lynch. i poked him about zhero and he non-answered.

in addition, he's appealed to scumhunting at least twice ([http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4905581]

post 36[/url]

,

142

) the second of which involved the soft zhero defense that i pointed out, despite the fact that thus far he's done no discernible scumhunting himself.

and now his go-to defense against my attack is to take a dig at my skill level

so anyway that's why we should lynch ces

[roflcopter]

i don't know why i bother to put links i always fuck it up