Micro 170 - Empking Mafia

[ArcAngel9]

As much as I love you I will never ever trust you

why not!!!!
how do you know what i am saying? unless you know what is alignment.
and that's an ability only scum can have..... are you scum?

[Hiraki]

are you sure i'm the lynch happy one?

[Nero Cain]

vote:AA9

Discuss!

not scum, not town should ever blindly trust anyone asking me to do so is well...scummy.

[Nero Cain]

are you sure i'm the lynch happy one?

I'm always lynch happy but that isn't alignment indicative for me.

[Hiraki]

i was just saying...

[ArcAngel9]

are you sure i'm the lynch happy one?

what do you think if Nero, I always have hard time reading his alignment.

[The Acting Method]

vote:TAM

I'm tired of him trying to bait me into talking about on going games.

Finally. And dude, you do realize that I have games in my wiki that you could have used as examples?

Here's an example: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=125

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24646

There two examples of Scum me lurking.

Now:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22820

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25193

Two examples of Town me lurking.

None of the games are ongoing and are easy enough to find.

Now the way I worded my question was bad yes, however, you could have at least still shown meta evidence to support your comment.

[Empking]

Vote Count 5

Hiraki (1) - JacobSavage,
Varsoon (1) - The Acting Method
Nero Cain (1) - ArcAngel9
JacobSavage (1) - Hiraki
ArcAngel9 (1) - Nero Cain

Not Voting: Varsoon, orozorro,

(expired on 2013-05-07 03:28:24)

[JacobSavage]

Nero, Arcy is town.

Varsoon is prob scum.


VOTE: VArsoon

[Varsoon]

Don't really agree with Nero's reasoning as of now.

C'mon guys, we've only got 17 hours.

That said, guess votes need to go places.

Nero

Just seems to be throwing things at the town wall and seeing what sticks. Really scummy method of play.
Every time he writes 'kill', it reads as hard scumbluffing to me. Most town'll say lynch. Could be reaction testing on his part, though.
Lots of posts put accusations but no pressure, like he's waiting for others to start up a wagon based on what he's said. Here's some examples of suspicion put down without a vote: 22, 23, 26, 32, 34, 37, 59, 71, 84, 88, 97...

I don't like his rationale behind his vote on TAM and I don't like the baiting he's been doing. Furthermore, the quick swap to AA9 when the TAM wagon didn't pick up speed reads as really scummy to me.

@Jacob: I'd like to know why you plant a vote rather than "X is scum".
Just planting votes does nothing for town.

[Varsoon]

Ach, messed up my vote. ANYWAYS:

VOTE: Nero

[Hiraki]

TAM's response is a meta defense

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Varsoon]

I don't like using Meta against people.
Each game exists solely within the confines of that game.
Therefore, I pretty much ignore meta-related accusations and defenses.

[Nero Cain]

idk, Varsoon seems like a silly nooblet but I guess he's better than a no lynch.

Why is Arc town?

[ArcAngel9]

idk, Varsoon seems like a silly nooblet but I guess he's better than a no lynch.

Why is Arc town?

Becuz, Unlike you.. Jacob knows my town play. and havent' you see my town statistics... ? i am always town (well at least most the times )

[orozorro]

Lynch candidates:

Varsoon: seemed a little bit scummy in the early game with his requests for more activity without contributing any himself combined with his potential freudian slip in 27 but since then he hasn't really done anything to suggest he's scum, unless I've missed something. Please point it out to me if I have.

Jacobsavage: None of his posts really seem to have any game-related content other than his final one which tells us that AA is town and Varsoon is probably scum (giving no reasons). If he continues to play like this then I will probably end up wanting to lynch him but for today he's safe.

Nero: his claim against TAM in 59 was pretty baseless and he then refused to back it up when requested. In 61 he says he wants to pl TAM and savage for lurking, in 92 he says to get rid of savage/AA without giving any clear reason then in 94 he asks Hiraki to help him get rid of TAM. In 102 he then shifts his vote to AA without giving a reason and tells us to discuss. It basically seems like he's tried to get rid of everyone barring Hiraki and I (although that may not last long after this post) and doesn't ever really seem to have a valid reason for doing so. To me he's the most suspicious player in this game so he's going to get my vote for now.

VOTE: Nero

[Nero Cain]

idk, Varsoon seems like a silly nooblet but I guess he's better than a no lynch.

Why is Arc town?

Becuz, Unlike you.. Jacob knows my town play. and havent' you see my town statistics... ? i am always town (well at least most the times )

I know your town play but you're getting harder to read given that you lurk and fluff post most of the time.

[Nero Cain]

idk, Varsoon seems like a silly nooblet but I guess he's better than a no lynch.

Why is Arc town?

Becuz, Unlike you.. Jacob knows my town play. and havent' you see my town statistics... ? i am always town (well at least most the times )

I know your town play but you're getting harder to read given that you lurk and fluff post most of the time.

[ArcAngel9]

idk, Varsoon seems like a silly nooblet but I guess he's better than a no lynch.

Why is Arc town?

Becuz, Unlike you.. Jacob knows my town play. and havent' you see my town statistics... ? i am always town (well at least most the times )

I know your town play but you're getting harder to read given that you lurk and fluff post most of the time.

No you clearly don't know my town play. I ll boost up when it is required. this is how i have been playing. Always!!!
I told you this before, i play safe i don't attack.. i keep my reads absoulte and straight... i don't flip them off too often...

[Nero Cain]

and what are these reads, dear?

[Nero Cain]

Nero: his claim against TAM in 59 was pretty baseless and he then refused to back it up when requested.

Its against site rules to discuss ongoing games. He specifically said "Because I don't recall doing so ever in a game with you".

In 61 he says he wants to pl TAM and savage for lurking

yet you left off the part where I said that I don't think it would help. Why did you ignore that?

in 92 he says to get rid of savage/AA without giving any clear reason

My reasons should be obvious. Both Savage and AA (especially Savage) prob have the least game content. Not much got accomplished today so we're are going to end up utility lynching today and keeping around two surviorlist players doesn't seem in the best intrest of the town + Arc claiming she has a harm time reading me when she knows I'm only aggressive like this as town looks a bit like a scum posture. So why am I scummy for suspecting Savage for being a fluffy lurker but you are doing the same?

doesn't ever really seem to have a valid reason for doing so

and yet you agree with me on both me reasoning for suspecting Varsoon and Savage. Why the hypocrisy here?


So you wanna tell me what you were doing avoiding this game for 4 days only to come in and echo varson?

[ArcAngel9]

^ the reason that i am having hard time reading you is..how you read me as scum with no reason.
and you're wrong about me on playing with no best interest, I am indeed playing this game to win... the difference is attack less, so you're wrong again. and you don't know my town play at all.

[Varsoon]

Nero, I'd like you to address the points I brought up against you, because, as of now, I'm still confident in my vote.

I could care less about scum/town posture or how players typically play scum/town. AA9's alignment should be obvious from this game alone.

[Nero Cain]

^ the reason that i am having hard time reading you is..how you read me as scum with no reason.

So I'm supposed to read you as town when I don't think you've done anything useful? Do you read everyone as town at the beginning of games?

Varsoon-I don't care how "confident" you are, you're still wrong. I'll get to responding to you here in a bit.

[ArcAngel9]

^ the reason that i am having hard time reading you is..how you read me as scum with no reason.

So I'm supposed to read you as town when I don't think you've done anything useful? Do you read everyone as town at the beginning of games?

Varsoon-I don't care how "confident" you are, you're still wrong. I'll get to responding to you here in a bit.

Define your meaning of usefulness first then i ll give you a hint to read me.
(warning: Your definition should not applly policy lynches)