Mini 1446, Generic Mafia (Game Over)

[Infinity 324]

And I know SK hunting is a scumtell. I don't care. If I have an opinion, I think it would be anti-town not to voice it. (I don't agree with the tell if you're not actually pushing a lynch)

[Human Destroyer]

It would make sense for TSO to be the 3P who shot ankiamus.

yeah if he feels like getting himself murdered

What do you mean?

so many associative tells in Ankamius's ISO; killing scum-Ankamius is basically suicide.

TSO needs death either way, I just don't think he's the third party you're saying he is.

[Bacde]

And I know SK hunting is a scumtell. I don't care. If I have an opinion, I think it would be anti-town not to voice it. (I don't agree with the tell if you're not actually pushing a lynch)

its that on top of how it doesn't even look like you believe in your reads

you made a lot of connection cases and then your vote isn't even based on that

it feels to me like you are trying to plant seeds of confusion and doubt while simultaneously trying to fit in by voting somewhere that doesn't make sense based on your reads

[Infinity 324]

And I know SK hunting is a scumtell. I don't care. If I have an opinion, I think it would be anti-town not to voice it. (I don't agree with the tell if you're not actually pushing a lynch)

its that on top of how it doesn't even look like you believe in your reads

you made a lot of connection cases and then your vote isn't even based on that

it feels to me like you are trying to plant seeds of confusion and doubt while simultaneously trying to fit in by voting somewhere that doesn't make sense based on your reads

What the heck? All my reads right now support a fegelein/horus team. Horus is my stronger scumread. Therefore, I'm voting horus.

so many associative tells in Ankamius's ISO; killing scum-Ankamius is basically suicide.

TSO needs death either way, I just don't think he's the third party you're saying he is.

Which are you talking about? Because I can't see any.

[Infinity 324]

Also, SK-TSO wouldn't know that ankiamus was scum.

[Infinity 324]

All my reads right now support a fegelein/horus team.

This should say "all my alignment reads"

[Bacde]

ok I guess I didn't notice that

you're looking better now infinity

[Infinity 324]

*vote remains on me*

[Bacde]

yep, I noticed that too

now stop your whining and let me decide what I'm going to do next on my own terms

[Infinity 324]

Do you think there are associative tells between ankiamus and TSO?

[T S O]

TSO's really being opportunistic at the moment, stating he'll jump on the largest wagon today, while also jumping on the largest wagon yesterday that wasn't him to save his bacon.

but up until that point HD had not interacted with CES once, or "said stuff earlier". The bit at the end makes it worse - he's never even made a case on CES and to get round that, he says he doesn't want to repeat.

VOTE: CES

No such thing as a boring wagon.

Sup Bacde

I'm rereading entirely and now I think CES looks kinda bad in his exchange with you

He just gives me that "I'm slapping on reasons to call you scum that don't really exist" vibe

Do you agree?

Would you like to try again, this time with something that makes sense?

I'll get you a medal for your RVS vote right after I laugh at you for pretending it's actually a valid in-game interaction which constitutes voting.
Your second point is admittedly valid, but it's all you've got. There were multiple wagons going on around you at that time yet you chose to hop in CES's, for one post where you felt he "was slapping things on?" If I was voting, I'd have a more concrete reason than that.

[T S O]

@Fegelein: it would be hard to be more wrong. I have deliberately

not

jumped onto the largest wagon of today, as I'm going to re-read. Point 2 was explained already.

[Infinity 324]

I'll get you a medal for your RVS vote right after I laugh at you for pretending it's actually a valid in-game interaction which constitutes voting.
Your second point is admittedly valid, but it's all you've got. There were multiple wagons going on around you at that time yet you chose to hop in CES's, for one post where you felt he "was slapping things on?" If I was voting, I'd have a more concrete reason than that.

I like some of this logic here. HD's "stuff I said earlier" was nothing more than a side note, and he didn't say that but instead defended it with one relevant and one irrelevant (calling a wagon boring is not a scumtell) post. The post in question was weird. That said, I don't think that post was necessarily scummy, or that HD needed much reasoning since it was "sheeping rofl". And he isn't aligned with horus. So I don't really wanna lynch HD. But I feel like this is a towny post, so I don't want to lynch TSO either.

tl;dr Still lynch Horus and Fegelein.

[Fegelein]

TSO made a really good point about HD, although he could be lazytown. Giving me slightly less of a scum read on TSO.

[Human Destroyer]

Your second point is admittedly valid, but it's all you've got. There were multiple wagons going on around you at that time yet you chose to hop in CES's, for one post where you felt he "was slapping things on?" If I was voting, I'd have a more concrete reason than that.

um that's actually fairly concrete to me

faked posting --> scum

this is like mafia 101

[Fegelein]

That post was horrific, you used 66% of it to attack TSO instead of defend yourself.

[Human Destroyer]

That post was horrific, you used 66% of it to attack TSO instead of defend yourself.

No.
TSO said that the reading was not concrete.
I explained to him that basic mafia theory proves it IS concrete.
That's...defending my reasoning.

Although, out of interest, why would it be bad if I actually attacked TSO? Y'know, the guy I happen to be scumreading?

[Fegelein]

That post was horrific, you used 66% of it to attack TSO instead of defend yourself.

No.
TSO said that the reading was not concrete.
I explained to him that basic mafia theory proves it IS concrete.
That's...defending my reasoning.

Although, out of interest, why would it be bad if I actually attacked TSO? Y'know, the guy I happen to be scumreading?

Oh, I thought you were calling TSO out for faking his post and then calling it Mafia 101. Misunderstood.

I'm not saying it's bad to be attacking, I just get suspicious of people attacking someone that is attacking them, it comes across as overly territorial.

[Infinity 324]

Ok, I read fegel's meta. He's a lot closer to his towngame. (Bacde you can vote me for not believing in my reads, but meta+gut > 1 associative tell imo). Let me reread iso's, but first I'll rule out certain possibilities:

Zhero-scum
Bacde-scum
Horus-town
HD-scum

[Fegelein]

Which games did you read?

[Infinity 324]

beastcharizard - Weird. I can't really read this person. I'd like Horus to explain this.

Fegelein - town

Palmar - town-ish? He seems to not take many positions.

roflcopter - townish, but seems to push hard for the lynches of two townies. Pushed really hard for a CES lynch, then pushes for a zhero lynch no matter what CES flips. Almost like he/she is trying to set up mislynches. Is rofl good at faking town playstyle?

TSO - probtown.

beastcharizard, why couldn't you just place a vote down and unvote later here? Palmar, is there town motivation for being worried about voting history?

@fegel I read your scum game and a mini where you died N1.

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I'm going to actually make a case on Horus sometime.

[Bacde]

I'm game w/ infinity right now

after rereading I also can't really remember why the horus wagon stopped

VOTE: Horus

[Infinity 324]

Thank you bacde

One point I want to make about Horus is that he said at the end of D1 that they'd look into zhero if CES was town, and ankiamus if he was scum. However,

ankiamus and zhero were doing the exact same thing: defending CES.

And CES just *happened* to be town, and ankiamus just *happened* to be scum. How do you like the zhero wagon now, huh?

[Bacde]

A+ point I feel better about this wagon

[Horus]

beastcharizard - Weird. I can't really read this person. I'd like Horus to explain this.

beastcharizard's #234 looked like a genuinely flustered Townie to me. I'll be very surprised if he turns out to be Scum faking it.

One point I want to make about Horus is that he said at the end of D1 that they'd look into zhero if CES was town, and ankiamus if he was scum. However,

ankiamus and zhero were doing the exact same thing: defending CES.

And CES just *happened* to be town, and ankiamus just *happened* to be scum. How do you like the zhero wagon now, huh?

Except that they weren't doing "exactly" the same thing.

Ankamius was pushing a counterwagon and actively resisting the CES wagon.

Compare this to Zhero's 333, where he says just enough to be able to point back and say he knew CES was Town without risking actually dismantling the wagon.