Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)

[Rob14]

Again, bullshit. You can't even explain how #49 is a "glob of text with bad formatting".

Vote: DCL

[jmo16mla]

So he's scum because your glob of text with bad formatting was a glob of text with bad formatting?

[jmo16mla]

obviously it didn't hold its value with other players. Maybe it isn't so great.

[DCLXVI]

@rob are you having any lingering anger issues toward me cause of m140

[nhammen]

So he's scum because your glob of text with bad formatting was a glob of text with bad formatting?

obviously it didn't hold its value with other players. Maybe it isn't so great.

And now you are defending DCL? Curiouser and curiouser. His case was easy to understand. I just didn't agree. How either of you failed to understand when pretty much everyone else did is baffling.

[jmo16mla]

I never said I didn't understand?

[RadiantCowbells]

By the by - is there a reason for this? Perhaps a post or some meta reasons causing you to lean Town on JMO that I wouldn't understand?

It's actually more of a meta reason. I've replaced him when he was town before, and also checked his meta to verify; he is getting very angry, which is something he usually does as town but not as scum.

I also feel like the people voting him are primarily voting him because of the aforementioned anger, rather than because of his tunneling. The tunneling in question also makes him look townier rather than scummier, as in my experience town are more likely to tunnel than scum.

Also, I am committed to seeing my current wagon to fruition. With that said:

Basically, I think your post was an effective way of trying to get us out of RVS which is town motivated. I don't believe you had any reason to call radiant town though. You just chose the first player to vote.

Is there some particular strategic advantage you get from withholding useful logical information from the towN?

Not sure yet, I've only seen him as town, not scum. I will say that a TMT scum flip would look really bad for him though.

@rob, if you write a glob of text with poor formatting, don't try and act surprised that someone misinterprets your case.

I like how you're subtly pushing this TMT lynch without getting behind it.
I also like how you act like his well ordered post was a "glob of text" with poor formatting.

Or should I say dislike?

@Everyone who is not currently voting DCLXVI, why? Do you see a town motivated reason for his repeated deflections?

[ThAdmiral]

I think we should get DCLXVI up to L-1.

But that's just me.

Personally I'd prefer lynch -0.

[jmo16mla]

What exactly is so scummy about D?

[gorckat]

Hey Cooldog...do you think jmo is doing with DCL that thing I did with you in our recent game together?

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

Note that I am reading the last 3 pages and formulating a response. Please stand by

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

TMT - read my posts. It's already been explained. You ignored all serious discussion in favor of staying in RVS. It didn't seem like scum-hunting.

I understand your reasoning, but I really didn't realize that we were out of RVS. And that doesn't explain DBK's reasoning.

Also, Avatar: The Last Airbender was a great show. This has nothing to do with the game. I felt it worth saying based on JMO's avatar, though. Rob out.

Note I say this with extreme caution lest you believe that the frivolous content of this is an anti-town action, but Doctor Who is a great show.

Also, from what I understand, DCL is being called scum because

1. Confidence in gorkcat being town
2. Subtly pushing lynch on yours truly
3. Dodging questions

I really only think number 2 is a legit scumread on DCL, unless I missed something.

Also, DBK, I'm still interested in your vote on me, as it obviously has to be different from Rob's, because you made it clear that you thought I was scum before I posted my mistimed RVS vote. You said you would explain, so please do so.

[Rob14]

Note that I did later revise my thoughts on you TMT. More I thought about it, less likely it is that what you did means you're scum, especially considering your join date (many newbs feel obligated to RVS because they've read that it's the first step of the game on the wiki - they're also less likely to know HOW to get out of RVS, so they take a back seat for that). It's still anti-town, but probably not scummy. It was, on the other hand, scummy by JMO's stated scumtells, which is why I went after him. If that makes sense. Either way, DCL is worse right now for strawmanning my case on JMO and then not being able to explain why exactly he did that. All he said was that I wrote a messy post, which isn't true, and he couldn't say anything further or explain WHY he perceived it as messy. JMO then leapt into action defending DCL, who also soft-defended JMO by trying to shift me onto TMT in the early-game. Suspicious interactions, for sure.

[jmo16mla]

No, you're just an idiot. Your case on me is shit. I've already told you why TMT was not gone after. Admit you're wrong rob.

[DCLXVI]

Is there some particular strategic advantage you get from withholding useful logical information from the towN?

I didn't want to put words into gorckat's mouth. I would rather have heard his reasons for his actions before talking about them.

[DCLXVI]

I like how you're subtly pushing this TMT lynch without getting behind it.

vote:TMT

I think Rob's point about him is accurate.

I am behind a TMT lynch, please don't misrep me.

[DCLXVI]

I'm not liking how radiant is so eager to see me lynched and so lacking in his fact checking not to notice were my vote is.

[CooLDoG]

vote:cooldog

cause you're a dog.

I second the request for gorkat to explain, cause I'm not seeing whatever he claims to be seeing.

seems like wants to hop on pro-town sounding thing. I'm not a fan of parrots (although, I'm probably parroting someone now, seeing as this was on page 1)

30
to
36
is null to both parties.

vote: DCLXVI

Your 2, 3 and 4 go from wanting more info, not seeing why I make the statement and then being totes fine with my statement.

This. Except that 3 should be, I don't know how how he is town. Seems odd to ask about something that you are already okay with though. Seems like a mega waste of resources.

If Letters flips scum Rob could be a partner.

Too early for this.

It's because Letters is scum. Duh.

Yes, I do.

Someone, please let me know what I did. I feel like it's one of those situations where people are talking behind your back, but in a way so that you can hear snatches of the conversation.

WHY ME!!!!?!??!?!?!??!?!

Lol at rob. Dude, you were on me last normal. I was town. Change your ways cuz. Or, il post tomorrow when I'm sober. That woul probably help.

Stupid meta argument is stupid. Also, is your defense really that you were town in the last game? really?

Ive been pushing for votes on you.

What is this "shitty meta argument and ATE"?

the first mini i played in, rob was convinced as fuck i was scum. i was VT. he was nearly the only one pushing for my lynch.

Obviously he cant read me well. That's not a shitty meta argument, that's a fact if he has misread me in every game we have played.

Is an argument like mine = scum?

Telling him he has shit reads on me is an AtE? oh. again, why is it scummy if its the truth?

Who's next?

I want to lynch this guy to prevent arguments like this from happening. Jesus. Do you actually think your argument is good? Or what?

VOTE: JMO
At first I thought Rob was creating a case to fit his read. JMO's responses to easy pressure have been - well - unimpressive.

What pressure?

His point is that you act like you are under heaps of pressure. Which, as you point out isn't true.

@rob, if you write a glob of text with poor formatting, don't try and act surprised that someone misinterprets your case.

vote: DCLXVI

Wait, so you don't even try to understand his case... and then you attack it.

Well, that's the truth...

probably not

So he's scum because your glob of text with bad formatting was a glob of text with bad formatting?

why are you defending someone this early? How do you know they are town?

obviously it didn't hold its value with other players. Maybe it isn't so great.

that post was made before anyone else could vote. It holds value for me btw.

So he's scum because your glob of text with bad formatting was a glob of text with bad formatting?

obviously it didn't hold its value with other players. Maybe it isn't so great.

And now you are defending DCL? Curiouser and curiouser. His case was easy to understand. I just didn't agree. How either of you failed to understand when pretty much everyone else did is baffling.

I hate it when I get behind in games... because people say the same thing that I want to say.

Hey Cooldog...do you think jmo is doing with DCL that thing I did with you in our recent game together?

Which one is that? This one: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26258 . I think so a little bit. Although his point is a little less about the circumstances of the lynch. I could see him making the same arguments on page 50. Not saying that it isn't scummy, it is, but it is not the same thing. You took advantage of the timing of the wagon.

No, you're just an idiot. Your case on me is shit. I've already told you why TMT was not gone after. Admit you're wrong rob.

and the ad-hom comes out

so, yeah, I'm cool with both a jmo or a DCL lynch.

[DCLXVI]

L-1.... This is really stupid... While I would normally wait for an intent to hammer before claiming
.. all this unwarranted animosity makes me uneasy.

I am a mason

I'm very certain there is a significant amount of scum on my wagon. I will look at it more closely when I have time to say who.

[jmo16mla]

I thought you were a PR with the way you were deflecting and such. Hence, my caution to see his scumminess

[CooLDoG]

so you know who the other masons are, right. Then why did you have to ask about it?

[CooLDoG]

Maybe they had something to go on?

And what would that be? Unless they are masons together I can't see how gorkcat would know radiant is town.

@TMT you are an alt, don't deny it.

quote I was talking about.

[DCLXVI]

That was one part of the breadcrumbing I was doing before I got ran up.

[DCLXVI]

So... thoughts on my wagon.

Gorckat is town for reasons already given.

Radiant is town... And I don't particularly want to say why.

TMT is scum. He has parked his vote on me while not really calling me scum. Just look at his last few posts quoting while phone posting is hard.

Admiral is town. He is technically correct with his reason for voting me but the reason I left out the possibly of gorckat knowing radiant was town cause he was scum was because at that point I already had gorckat as a town read.

Rob is omgusing me cause of that glob of text comment. He makes sense as a tmt partner if tmt is scum.

Cool dog is scum. I'm not liking both his eagerness to see day 1 end so early and his leaving his boy on me after my claim.

I do have thoughts on people off my wagon. But phone posting is a pain in the ass so I'm done for now.

[Rob14]

Why do you seem to think your claim clears you DCL?