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Who were you talking to here? I didn't see anyone pushing my wagon, just some RVS-votes and Syryana keeping a close eye on me.In post 43, RachMarie wrote: For those pushing Grims wagon do you have anything else besides the fact he was scumz in the aborted game? cause we rerolled and that is not good enough he has a higher chance of being town than scum since each roll for a game is independent of each other.
You don't seriously think I spent those 25 minutes entirely to searching for what you were referring to? Do you think that if I would have in fact found it, that I would lie about it and hope that nobody would notice? I already explained why I did not find it, even though you seem to think that is "flawed".In post 45, Crandaja wrote:I have some problems with this. You ask where she called me darling, then 25 minutes later you say you can't see it in Title Pending. ISO button makes it really easy to see all of Raven's posts and one of the only interactions we had between one another was the one where she called me darling. Its really not hard to find if you looked in that thread (which you said yourself you did) especially not in 25 minutes.In post 28, Grimgroove wrote:My mistake, but I only looked at the last couple of posts by Ravenpaw, which is only sensible.
I feel my point still stands.
Why on earth would Crandaja be referring to a word in a post made 12 days ago? Why would that kind of thing stick and why would bad vibes from that post be carried over to a new game?
He didn't mention it gave him bad vibes back then, why now?
I would also prefer it if you would let Crandaja answer that question this time around. Don't see why you're so eager jumping to his defense.
The disagreement lies in the first part. I don't think it's flawed. I find it very odd you would be referring to something (a single word) from 12 days ago from a previous game. Like I said before, I did check the thread, but was only looking at the post game discussion, meaning I didn't make it to page 7. Obviously I should have been more thorough and I jumped to conclusions, but there was no bad intent. Just had my assumptions (that you would be referring to something more recent) wrong so to speak.I think your first statement that its only sensible to check the last few messages is flawed. If you think its not important to check the thread than it wouldn't have been so important for you to not find it there. Without doing the search how would you know if she said it or not? Why do you assume its from the scum QT without reading the whole thread?
I can live with that explanation, but if either of you would happen to flip scum I'll definitely remember this passage.When I was doing an RVS at the start of this game i didn't want to vote Grim right away to avoid getting him too close to L-1 without any discussion. I saw Ravenpaw's post and decided to vote her as my RVS. It was the only thing I really remember about her from last game.
Did you get your reading done by now?In post 42, LnGrrrR wrote:I skimmed quickly; the giant walls of text are a big clue.
This isn't the first time someone's scum-read me for having a jumpy vote. If you want, feel free to look at what happened in this game before the reroll; you can see the same behaviors there.In post 64, homertve wrote:You are quite right. I hate lurking.
Here's my thoughts at this point:
Syryana - He was the second one to vote Grimgroove, and then, right after the third vote to Grimgroove, he pulled his vote and moved it to somene else. Is it because Syryana and Grimgroove are scums? Did Syryana wanted his first vote to be on his scum-pal and then, when he saw a wagon coming he decided it was too risky?
You have a theory: Grim and I are scum together. However, in reference to this point, you are making the evidence fit the case, rather than making the case fit the evidence. I agree with you that the "yes vs. yup" argument was extremely stupid, but does the exchange between Grim and myself sound forced and planned? What about that exchange makes you think he and I are scum together?In post 64, homertve wrote:Grimgroove - His RVS was Candillan. He then started a very stupid "yes vs. yup" discussion. If my theory is right, it could be planned by those two in advance.
You are leaning town on Candillan because he pointed out the oddity in my post. Yet in the same post, he says he's leaning town on me for it. Why do you think that is? Also, did you see my reasoning near the bottom of that post as to why I'm voting Crand over Grim?In post 64, homertve wrote:Candillan - He points out in post 33 howSyryana's explainingGrimgrooveis a scum and then votingCrandis odd. I think it's another evidence of Syryana and Grimgroove both being scums. I hope I'm not tunneling here. Anyway, to me Candillan lean town right now.
It's not the actual jumpiness, it's the timing. Here you did it right after he got his third vote. Before the reroll you just jumped from one to another (at least in the first three pages that I skimmed over there).In post 67, Syryana wrote:This isn't the first time someone's scum-read me for having a jumpy vote. If you want, feel free to look at what happened in this game before the reroll; you can see the same behaviors there.In post 64, homertve wrote:Syryana - He was the second one to vote Grimgroove, and then, right after the third vote to Grimgroove, he pulled his vote and moved it to somene else. Is it because Syryana and Grimgroove are scums? Did Syryana wanted his first vote to be on his scum-pal and then, when he saw a wagon coming he decided it was too risky?
The argue itself doesn't sound planned, but you could plan that you'll argue about something without planning the details.In post 67, Syryana wrote:You have a theory: Grim and I are scum together. However, in reference to this point, you are making the evidence fit the case, rather than making the case fit the evidence. I agree with you that the "yes vs. yup" argument was extremely stupid, but does the exchange between Grim and myself sound forced and planned? What about that exchange makes you think he and I are scum together?In post 64, homertve wrote:Grimgroove - His RVS was Candillan. He then started a very stupid "yes vs. yup" discussion. If my theory is right, it could be planned by those two in advance.
I don't know why he's leaning town on you. Maybe he needs to answer to that question.In post 67, Syryana wrote:You are leaning town on Candillan because he pointed out the oddity in my post. Yet in the same post, he says he's leaning town on me for it. Why do you think that is? Also, did you see my reasoning near the bottom of that post as to why I'm voting Crand over Grim?In post 64, homertve wrote:Candillan - He points out in post 33 howSyryana's explainingGrimgrooveis a scum and then votingCrandis odd. I think it's another evidence of Syryana and Grimgroove both being scums. I hope I'm not tunneling here. Anyway, to me Candillan lean town right now.
No, I didn't see any reasoning for that. Can you elaborate?In post 67, Syryana wrote:Also, did you see my reasoning near the bottom of that post as to why I'm voting Crand over Grim?
Then how is our argument different from any other argument that's been had here? Why do you get the impression our argument is planned and others are not?In post 69, homertve wrote:The argue itself doesn't sound planned, but you could plan that you'll argue about something without planning the details.In post 67, Syryana wrote:You have a theory: Grim and I are scum together. However, in reference to this point, you are making the evidence fit the case, rather than making the case fit the evidence. I agree with you that the "yes vs. yup" argument was extremely stupid, but does the exchange between Grim and myself sound forced and planned? What about that exchange makes you think he and I are scum together?In post 64, homertve wrote:Grimgroove - His RVS was Candillan. He then started a very stupid "yes vs. yup" discussion. If my theory is right, it could be planned by those two in advance.
He did, he called it a gutread in post 44I don't know why he's leaning town on you. Maybe he needs to answer to that question.In post 67, Syryana wrote:You are leaning town on Candillan because he pointed out the oddity in my post. Yet in the same post, he says he's leaning town on me for it. Why do you think that is? Also, did you see my reasoning near the bottom of that post as to why I'm voting Crand over Grim?In post 64, homertve wrote:Candillan - He points out in post 33 howSyryana's explainingGrimgrooveis a scum and then votingCrandis odd. I think it's another evidence of Syryana and Grimgroove both being scums. I hope I'm not tunneling here. Anyway, to me Candillan lean town right now.
Grim, you have my apologies. I did not intend to offend; where I come from "yes, yeah, yep, yup" etc. are all synonyms and to have someone claim otherwise just made my head explode.In post 68, Grimgroove wrote:I don't like my "yes vs yup"-thing being calledstupidseveral times now, but I guess that given the opinion of the majority, it was. I still don't like "yups" and I never will, but maybe we're from a different generation.
Anyway, regardless of this, even if it was stupid, there's only so many ways of getting out of an RVS asap, and I'm still glad we made it out relatively fast, even with half of the people not participating.
I'd tell you my reasoning behind it, but I can't discuss an ongoing game. Let me simply say I'm rather paranoid of derp Page 1 RVS lynches right now.homertve wrote:It's not the actual jumpiness, it's the timing. Here you did it right after he got his third vote. Before the reroll you just jumped from one to another (at least in the first three pages that I skimmed over there).
homertve wrote:No, I didn't see any reasoning for that. Can you elaborate?In post 67, Syryana wrote:Also, did you see my reasoning near the bottom of that post as to why I'm voting Crand over Grim?
In post 32, Syryana wrote:My main beef with you right now is that in the last game you obvtowned like crazy; excellent logic, walls of well reasoned arguments, good reads. This game, you're hopping all over everywhere, attacking me, attacking Crand; it's shooting from the hip playstyle. I can't decide if you're this different because it's your town play or if you've drawn scum again and you're breaking from your own playstyle so as not to get caught.
While I'm chewing over that:
VOTE: Crandaja
Call it a hunch.In post 70, Grimgroove wrote:Then how is our argument different from any other argument that's been had here? Why do you get the impression our argument is planned and others are not?In post 69, homertve wrote:The argue itself doesn't sound planned, but you could plan that you'll argue about something without planning the details.In post 67, Syryana wrote:You have a theory: Grim and I are scum together. However, in reference to this point, you are making the evidence fit the case, rather than making the case fit the evidence. I agree with you that the "yes vs. yup" argument was extremely stupid, but does the exchange between Grim and myself sound forced and planned? What about that exchange makes you think he and I are scum together?In post 64, homertve wrote:Grimgroove - His RVS was Candillan. He then started a very stupid "yes vs. yup" discussion. If my theory is right, it could be planned by those two in advance.
Ohhh, I see now. You weren't asking why I wasn't voting Grim, you're asking why I'm voting Crand. I'm retarded. That paragraph I linked is about Grim.In post 72, homertve wrote:Syryana - Oh, wait, did you mean that in 32 you were referring to Cran in the last paragraph? I thought you were still talking about Grimgroove!
His response was interestingly defensive. I mean, it was an RVS vote, so why get so defensive about it? In this post, Crand:In post 45, Crandaja wrote:I have some problems with this. You ask where she called me darling, then 25 minutes later you say you can't see it in Title Pending. ISO button makes it really easy to see all of Raven's posts and one of the only interactions we had between one another was the one where she called me darling. Its really not hard to find if you looked in that thread (which you said yourself you did) especially not in 25 minutes.
I think your first statement that its only sensible to check the last few messages is flawed. If you think its not important to check the thread than it wouldn't have been so important for you to not find it there. Without doing the search how would you know if she said it or not? Why do you assume its from the scum QT without reading the whole thread?
When I was doing an RVS at the start of this game i didn't want to vote Grim right away to avoid getting him too close to L-1 without any discussion. I saw Ravenpaw's post and decided to vote her as my RVS. It was the only thing I really remember about her from last game.
Also Cand why do you keep putting the third vote on people so quickly without discussion? You've done this twice already in this game alone and I don't like it.
