Okay.
Syr - The logic your post about Grim's scum slip is hard for me to follow. Somehow it feels very odd to me. Maybe I'm just being slow and not understanding you. So if you don't mind, let me summarize the situation here and see if I can make sense of it in light of what you're asserting.
In post #13, Crand random votes Raven for calling him darling. In #26, Grim states that he can't find such an occurrence, and proceeds to assume that Crand is making a scum slip by referencing something that he assumes is written in the scumchat quick topic, which only scumCrand and his supposed partner (scumRaven) would be able to access.
Grim states in #180 that he would not have called out Crand on this if he knew that Crand was using something from public communications (i.e. not the scum chat) because in that case Crand would eventually be able to provide the occurrence in a public communication between himself and Raven, which would only make Grim look scummy for trying to act like it was a scum slip.
In short, according to Grim: As scum, Grim would not call out Crand because he would know that the word was not in private communication and therefore Crand would be able to show where it was said; therefore, it would not make sense for scum to try this because he would know it would fail. (Yes, I know I just repeated myself; saying it multiple times with different words seems to help me understand it better.)
Syr's argument as I understand it, is that Grim did not know that his assumption (that Crand was referring to private communication) was wrong; therefore he called out Crand on it. Your wording:
I used the scumtell-approach because I didn't know it wasn't true.
I am rewriting as:
I used the scumtell-approach because I thought it was false.
Because that is less confusing to me (double negatives and all). Also I'm assuming that "it" above means "the word being in a public communication"
Okay, so... I think I understand the situation and the argument (correct me if I'm wrong). I just don't know how you go from your argument (see above) to your conclusion (Grim is scum). Because, to be honest, my logic tells me the exact opposite.
EBWOPreview:
Syr wrote:Hypothesis: "I wouldn't do this as scum if I knew it was wrong."
Evidence: "I did this."
"I did not know it was wrong."
Conclusion: "I did this as scum."
I don't know of a better way to put it.
Okay, I feel like your logic is off here. Somehow. Let me see.
I think I know what it is. You're leaving out part of the hypothesis.
Hypothesis: Grim would not do this as scum because he would know it was wrong.
Therefore, Grim would only do this as townie, and only if he did not know it was wrong.
(If he knew it was wrong as a town, there would be no motive to do it.)
Evidence: Grim did it. Grim did not know it was wrong.
Conclusion: Because Grim did not know it was wrong, and because doing this as scum would be basically suicidal (i.e. it would fail and bring suspicion on him), and because Grim did end up doing it, this can not be a scum slip.
That being said, I hate that in my mind I am able to use this logic to clear Grim as a townie.
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Unless I'm missing something, your case against him here is a twisting of words to make him look scummy. I did not like your supposed Candi "scum slip", and I do not like this supposed Grim "scum slip". I am happy with my vote where it is.
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EBWOPreviewAgain (really you guys post a lot >_<)
Syryana wrote: In post 280, Grimgroove wrote:Looking at my supposed scumslip I'm even more confident in saying you've got absolutely nothing on me.
You scumslipped again. Town wouldn't be concerned about whether or not I "had something" on them.
Let's say I am walking down the street and step inside a jewelry store to look around. As I am exiting, the security guard inside confronts me and says he thought he saw me lifting a necklace. I proceed to turn out my pockets, revealing nothing, and then tell him to go check his security cameras. As a final comment, I say to him, "This is ridiculous. You have nothing on me."
There is no scum motive in saying that; I was falsely accused of attempting to shoplift from a jewelry store and simply stated a fact that the accuser had no evidence to convict me of anything. I think you need to stop fabricating scum slips in posts just to further your agenda, which I can only assume is detrimental to the town as a whole.