Mini Normal 1460 - Normalville Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Future]

BP's "I don't reply to stupid questions" seems unnecessarily confrontational.

Peregrine, how serious are you about your Slandaar vote?

[PeregrineV]

BP's "I don't reply to stupid questions" seems unnecessarily confrontational.

Peregrine, how serious are you about your Slandaar vote?

The player:

I like to think I can spot Slandaar as scum or town eventually, but it takes a lot of posting to get there. If the pressure can start now, we can save a lot of grief later if he is scum.

The action:

See this game/post. Yes, the number has gone down, but it's reliable enough as a starting point.

[PeregrineV]

First impressions: BP/Grimgroove scum team. Consider yourselves FoS'd. It would be cool if this would actually turn out to be a crumb later on in the game

Wherefrom does your first impressions come from? And what connects them as a team?

[Baezu]

Gut feeling from the way he answered the question:

Innocent Child. It makes things less complicated.

Also, this comment came with BP's second vote (he had previously rvs'd future) so if his logic applies to peregrine he is just as blood thirsty:

Voted for two people in one post only! No one wants blood like a scum!!

Again, gut feeling but I really didn't like any of his posts on p1

[Elyse]

VOTE: Slandaar

Wagons.

@Future
How was BT's "I don't respond to stupid questions" confrontational? He was saying that Red Dragon responded to the questions despite calling them stupid.

I like playing as scum better. I've only done it once though and I replaced it, but it was extremely fun.

My favorite role would have to be vig. I like being able to kill someone without anyone else weighing in.

[BP]

Oh, I thought we were on RVS. Sorry.

VOTE: NO LYNCH

[Darthe]

Personally I prefer to be a mafia traitor. So much fun to abuse both sides.

[Future]

Well shit, I misinterpreted that. I thought BP was calling Slandaar's questions stupid, which seemed unnecessarily confrontational. Take that back.

That being said, BP is acting very, very strangely. I'm with Baezu; there's something gut-ly off about his posts so far.

UNVOTE: Dragon
VOTE: BP

[Future]

Oh, I thought we were on RVS. Sorry.

VOTE: NO LYNCH

Especially this - why suddenly vote NL? How much experience do you have on this site?

[Grimgroove]

Baezu is town. Only town is so eager to put out scumreads this early in the game, half expecting/hoping they would be right in order to boast with them at the end of the game.
However, Baezu is wrong and will not be boasting for at least 50% of her early reads.

I'll have an early guess as well: Slandaar and Future in a scumteam.

We shall see in the

VOTE: Future

[Baezu]

Better put my vote in a more useful place

VOTE: BP

[Red Dragon]

[
asking stupid questions:

My questions have a point to them being that favourite alignment and to a lesser extent role can give insight into how engaged with the game you should expect that person to be if they are town (and if they are scum).

Anyways, my friend, you seem an intelligent guy who understands RVS and RQS so can you explain why my questions are worse than those random votes that achieved nothing?

Random votes start wagons and get reactions from those under pressure, sets up association, sparks discussion about the game. Banter doesn't do any of that.

Vote: Future

Pretty sure it's not all it's cracked up to be.

But seriously now, since it's out there,

Vote: Slandaar

82% of the time when questions are asked as part of the opening posts they are posted by scum.

Not sure if he is scum. I just voted him to start things off. also, nice double voter role there.

I'll have an early guess as well: Slandaar and Future in a scumteam.

I can somewhat agree. It does seem odd to defend him so early. I'm the type of guy who thinks that people should defend themselves instead of having meat shields do it for them. With that said though, it is still early, and way too early for association tells.

[Future]

Grimgroove, you saying BP is town?

[BP]

Alright, I seem to have to explain myself at the moment. I really thought you'd see my posts as they were: RVS taunts. That's why I voted for random people, for random reasons. Just like everyone else.

Also, I voted no lynch because I don't believe in Day 1 lynches. Don't make much sense to me. I'm more much more keen on analyzing Night 1's kill choice that trying to see through people's reasons and motives behind every vote on Day 1, which are mostly based on RVS reactions and bandwagoning, so...

Just because I voted no lynch doesn't mean that I'm necessarily new to the game, FYI.

[Elyse]

Just because I voted no lynch doesn't mean that I'm necessarily new to the game, FYI.

This is a weird sentence.

If you believe that D1 lynches are bad and explained why, what's the need of this last statement? It's a little preemptive, like you don't really believe in it yourself and know others will pounce on you for it.

[ac1983fan]

Vote Count:

Slandaar (3) - Red Dragon, PeregrineV, Elyse (L-4)

BP (2) - Future, Baezu
Elyse (1) - Kattaze
Future (1) - grimgroove
No Lynch (1) - BP

Not Voting (5) - Darthe, Slandaar, Ztife, thegooner, chernobylcitybus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or no lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-03 10:00:00)

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Thegooner has not picked up his role PM. I'll begin looking for a replacement tomorrow if that remains the case.

[BP]

Just because I voted no lynch doesn't mean that I'm necessarily new to the game, FYI.

This is a weird sentence.

If you believe that D1 lynches are bad and explained why, what's the need of this last statement? It's a little preemptive, like you don't really believe in it yourself and know others will pounce on you for it.

Fair enough. I just didn't like his assumption that because I voted no lynch I'm new to the game. That's all. x)

[ac1983fan]

Kattaze has requested replacement.

[Darthe]

^ meh

[Future]

I didn't mean the game, I meant the site.

[Baezu]

Alright, I seem to have to explain myself at the moment. I really thought you'd see my posts as they were: RVS taunts. That's why I voted for random people, for random reasons. Just like everyone else.

Also, I voted no lynch because I don't believe in Day 1 lynches. Don't make much sense to me. I'm more much more keen on analyzing Night 1's kill choice that trying to see through people's reasons and motives behind every vote on Day 1, which are mostly based on RVS reactions and bandwagoning, so...

Just because I voted no lynch doesn't mean that I'm necessarily new to the game, FYI.

How is this not the scummiest thing you've ever heard? A mislynch on d1 is WAY better than a NL because at least that gives information (ie who was on the bw, whose loyalties are where, etc.)! Also, we actually have a chance of lynching mafia d1 WHICH IS THE POINT OF THE GAME!!! We need to lynch this now!

[Red Dragon]

that epic mafia logic.

[Grimgroove]

Grimgroove, you saying BP is town?

What? No. What gave you that idea?

[Grimgroove]

I didn't mean the game, I meant the site.

Did you notice his join date under the avatar?

This join date leads me to believe he knows what he's doing through defending this No D1-lynch business. I haven't been in many games myself so far on this site, but in each and every one of them the general agreement was the thing that Baezu was explaining, and everyone disagreeing came under heavy scrutiny. I'll have to do a meta on BP but something tells me he knew he'd be getting reactions t§o this no-lynch-vote along the lines of the reactions he's getting now.

The way Baezu jumps on this "easy" bait I find scummier than publicly daring to take a stance you'll know very few people will agree with.

[BP]

Alright, I seem to have to explain myself at the moment. I really thought you'd see my posts as they were: RVS taunts. That's why I voted for random people, for random reasons. Just like everyone else.

Also, I voted no lynch because I don't believe in Day 1 lynches. Don't make much sense to me. I'm more much more keen on analyzing Night 1's kill choice that trying to see through people's reasons and motives behind every vote on Day 1, which are mostly based on RVS reactions and bandwagoning, so...

Just because I voted no lynch doesn't mean that I'm necessarily new to the game, FYI.

How is this not the scummiest thing you've ever heard? A mislynch on d1 is WAY better than a NL because at least that gives information (ie who was on the bw, whose loyalties are where, etc.)! Also, we actually have a chance of lynching mafia d1 WHICH IS THE POINT OF THE GAME!!! We need to lynch this now!

Firstly, LOL.

Are you serious Baezu? RVS-based lynch, even if you lynch a mafia, which would be super-awesome, won't give you any granted info, if any, on loyalties and whatnot. It's called RANDOM vote stage, and I do apologize that I do not believe in random-based lynchings.

We have 20 days - TWENTY - until the deadline. That's almost 3 weeks. Why are you so eager to lynch me, so early in the game, if your point of view regarding the pros of RVS is the acquisition of info? Lynching me now would prevent you from acquiring more info regarding those loyalties that you mention and other stuffs. A mislynch on d1 is NOT better, IN MY OPINION, because I much rather, as I said, analyze the kill's info based on day behaviour that analyzing day behaviour that's ultimately based on sheer randomness, because that way we'll have one dead Townie rather than two. And that's always preferrable.

Now I'm gonna say this again, in case I wasn't clear. This is how I see this game, and this is what I think to be the best strategy. It's not a play like Grimgroove just postulated. I believe in Day 1 no-lynch, because of what I explained above.

Now, I'm reeeaaaallly keen on hearing from you again, Baezu, to answer these simple questions:
- If you want reactions to see the smoke comin' out of the scumhole, why lynch me right away? Why not wait a little longer, say two weeks?
- Do you think mafia loyalties would be made explicit by them in day 1 in such a way as to tell us who's who? If not, do you still think a mislynch is better that a no-lynch?