Micro 181: Everyone's being watched (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

The way I see it:

-Rach misreads what I said as "Miss D, hammer Rach"
-Rach is surprised that I suddenly want her lynched out of nowhere
-Rach then realizes that the watcher would want her lynched because she visited fuzzy
-She claims it so that the watcher doesn't out himself (she didn't remember it's 1-shot and therefore there wouldnt be any harm in the watcher outing)
-You tell her that she's not at L-1 (640) but she's still confused and doubts what you're saying
-She sees your vote on her, assumes that's hammer
-She posts her "twilight" post.

I might be completely wrong, but right now that's what I think happened.

[Wisdom]

Also she began typing 646 before you posted 645, as proven by her answer to 645 in 647.

[Grimgroove]

But that's a comment on how you made it sound like she was at L-1 (tbh I don't think you did).
First of all: when wondering if you're at L-1, it suffices to look at the mod votecounts in bright orange. There was a count in 631 on the same page of this whole discussion.
Even assuming she missed that, somehow, surely my reassurance that she's not at L-1 in 640 should have convinced her of this?
Her 641 is difficult to read when it comes to her being convinced or not, but I find the whole thing too bizarre to actually believe there's nothing fishy behind it.

[Wisdom]

Not every player will do that though.
Rach just took what she thought was my hammer request on her to mean she's at L-1.

[Grimgroove]

Also she began typing 646 before you posted 645, as proven by her answer to 645 in 647.

Actually I missed this bit, but this proves my gut is right further.
There are 7 minutes between my L-1 warning and her twilight post. I don't know how long it takes people to post, but surely an "offhand" twilight post like the one she made shouldn't take that long?
And even if it did, before one posts there is a notification that someone else posted in the meantime. She clearly already saw my "hammervote", so the only thing she saw in that notification was my L-1 warning, bloded and neatly packed into one short and easily readable sentence put in bold.

Don't you think RachMarie, conventiently I might add, missed a whole lot of things here?

[Wisdom]

I still find it more likely that she ignored the notification and posted her post, than that she lied like this.

[Wisdom]

And I realize I am assuming too much already but:

Figures youd vote the counterwagon
soo hammer her, we heard from Egg

oops nvm i thought you voted rach

The derp I did here could possibly be seen as me thinking that Miss D voted RachMarie (thus placing her at L-1) and therefore my statement about "hammer her" referring to her.
Not to mention Rach has Miss D in mind as "them", and thus assumes that "her" refers to her and not "them", if you get what I mean.
See this for example

She? you mean they? Miss D is a hydra of Mara and HD.

[Grimgroove]

I'm having a déjà vu, this feels like the start of page 28 all over again. Damn this game is confusing.

I can't say you've convinced me this time either. There's just too many things that would have to have been missed or misunderstood by RachMarie to make it even remotely believable that her twilight-post was not an act.

[Wisdom]

I agree, this is very confusing, but I really want to go with my gut here. Rach isn't the person who would lie like that. That's what I think anyway.

I still think that there's no chance in hell that Miss D is town however, so I still think we should be lynching them instead.

[JasonWazza]

where did everyone go?

Vote Count 2.9

[3] RachMarie: Sword_of_omens, Malakittens, Grimgroove,
[2] Miss Destroyer: RachMarie, Wisdom,
[1] Malakittens: Egg,
[1] Wisdom Miss Destroyer,

Not voting:

with 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-06-21 14:25:49)

[Wisdom]

^
Miss Destroyer is voting me actually

Mod: Fixed

[sword_of_omens]

@Wisdom...i think you should hammer Rachel

[Wisdom]

I will only if we haven't lynched Miss D by the deadline

[Wisdom]

But seriously think about it guys.
Rach is not scum. She wouldn't lie about thinking she got lynched.
Meanwhile Miss D is 100% scum.

[Egg]

unvote, vote wisdom

Only two more votes to make this happen.

[Wisdom]

Seriously now?

[Wisdom]

It might be Miss D and Egg after all. Egg's play doesn't make any sense at all so far.

[sword_of_omens]

Wisdom, Egg has been calling you and Mala scum since he started...
his vote on you isn't very surpising...

[Wisdom]

His vote on me is useless since we're not lynching me.
We're less than 1 day away from the deadline.

[Miss Destroyer]

Hey guys, it's wisdom

He's scum

He's connected me and Mala

and he's agreed on my Mala/Rach scum team yesterday

He's also just made a connection between me and egg

the thing is, he never makes these connections as town. I have a few times, but he never does

and absolute certainty that you found scum is a scumtell?

Please, over half of my town tunnels start because I'm certain I have found scum. You can look at all my games, and every single person I attack I'm usually more than certain that the person is scum, otherwise I wouldn't attack hard in the first place.

you constant flips on Rach, hell your flips period are not natural for town-wisdom how you leave her D2 is wierd, considering how you tunneled her until late D1.

much like how your tunnel and back off on vigi was unnatural. you need to die

Pedit: Oh gawd, the " X person's vote is useless" thing... Die Scum die

~Mara

[Wisdom]

I have not connected you with anyone. You are scum. On your own. For your own actions.

[Malakittens]

Yah that's true. Egg has been calling Wisdom/Me scum, but Wisdom was the weaker read.

Hi Mara.

Swords: what do you think of egg?

[Wisdom]

and absolute certainty that you found scum is a scumtell?

Please, over half of my town tunnels start because I'm certain I have found scum. You can look at all my games, and every single person I attack I'm usually more than certain that the person is scum, otherwise I wouldn't attack hard in the first place.

It's the way you expressed it.
As town, you might be very sure someone is scum, but you won't express it the way you did.
"Oh god, I know for a fact you drew scum" is scum theatre confidence.

[Malakittens]

and absolute certainty that you found scum is a scumtell?

Please, over half of my town tunnels start because I'm certain I have found scum. You can look at all my games, and every single person I attack I'm usually more than certain that the person is scum, otherwise I wouldn't attack hard in the first place.

It's the way you expressed it.
As town, you might be very sure someone is scum, but you won't express it the way you did.
"Oh god, I know for a fact you drew scum" is scum theatre confidence.

Wait, since when is the last thing a scum tell? I have seen town do that. >.>

[Wisdom]

are not natural for town-wisdom

Not. this. again.
There's no natural town Wisdom.
Usually whoever goes for this argument is scum. Example1 Example2
And you're no different.