Lord Patator Charlixion the 6th: game over

[AngryPidgeon]

I'll try and summarize why I think Kanye is scum in a bit, but I gotta do something at the moment.

Kind of gut to be honest, but really he hasn't done anything but try and look opinionated.

[Thor665]

That's a fascinating concept considering that, at the point I replaced in, the wagons were functionally tied.
Also, y'know, there were certain players who took Hoopla's PR and night action claim and ground it into dust.

In other news - I still don't know why you think Kanye is scum.

Edit: Ah...so...gut?

[Thor665]

Is 'trying to look opinionated' and 'being opinionated' really two different things?
I mean, if he keeps lurching in and offering his opinion to ;look opinionated' isn't he...just, opinionated?

[AngryPidgeon]

Well, I hate that I have to generalize that as 'gut'. I'll do my best to point out instances that look fake to me but his stream of thoughts does not appear town-motivated to me. I could just drop some buzzwords like 'opportunistic', but I just caught up and Im at work. Gimme a little bit of time to muster some quotes.

Also matt saying Im likely scum if Emp is town is pretty hilarious. FTR I love how both of them support an EMp lynch but neither is voting it.

[mykonian]

votecount

empking (6): PeregrineV, human destroyer, quilford, pirate mollie, Kanyeknowsbest, Iecerint
chkflip (2): MattP, chkflip
Iecerint (2): empking, oversoul
pirate mollie (1): Thor665
kanyeknowsbest (1): AngryPidgeon

not voting (0):

with 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

[Iecerint]

In MattP's case he's said he's voting chkflp as a weak investigation (i.e., if your ability is ever unlocked, the player whom you had been voting prior to the unlocking must be scum).

[Thor665]

Well, I hate that I have to generalize that as 'gut'. I'll do my best to point out instances that look fake to me but his stream of thoughts does not appear town-motivated to me. I could just drop some buzzwords like 'opportunistic', but I just caught up and Im at work. Gimme a little bit of time to muster some quotes.

Have you ever played with kanye before?

Also matt saying Im likely scum if Emp is town is pretty hilarious. FTR I love how both of them support an EMp lynch but neither is voting it.

I support the Emp lynch and am not voting it.
Matt even declared specifically why he was doing what he's doing.
Kanye is voting it according to the last mod votecount.

[AngryPidgeon]

Have you ever played with kanye before?

Oh god people asked me the same thing about Vifam in NY161.

His playstyle is similar to mine. I read those people better.

[kanyeknowsbest]

the fuck? dont compare yourself to me idiot bitch.

[kanyeknowsbest]

im not holding my breath for molly becoming rational and reasonable at this point.

So your mollie vote is 100% policy? Because you haven't actually called her scummy. Just anti-town and etc.

quick q, do you disagree with the policy of using your vote as a tool to produce results ?

[Thor665]

Have you ever played with kanye before?

Oh god people asked me the same thing about Vifam in NY161.

His playstyle is similar to mine. I read those people better.

When you're using your read on him as a relational tell for a read on someone else - yeah, I kinda want to know how much thought was put into it and whether I want to accredit it any merit.

[AngryPidgeon]

When you're using your read on him as a relational tell for a read on someone else -

Im not though.

[AngryPidgeon]

quick q, do you disagree with the policy of using your vote as a tool to produce results ?

You correctly speculated previously that Mollie was unlikely to change. So you lack faith in your vote's ability to change her play, but here you are implying that it

was

for that.

And this talk about her getting her act together involves her being town...is she?

[AngryPidgeon]

Town: Thor (I think, little nervous about him blatantly trying to appeal to what he knows I consider a town-tell, but meh), Iecerint, HD, PV
Probable Town: Quilford, Mollie, Oversoul
The Rest: Matt, Kanye, Chkflip, Empking

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Kanye case later. Sorry. I actually do meed to focus on work now.

[Thor665]

Oh look, AP's reads changed.
Thor gets a cookie.
Mollie gets mocked.

Chkflip's scumcard. Alsk KKB's - look past the fact that he is agreeing with you on Mollie.

@AP - if you aren't using as a relational tell - what is this gak?

[AngryPidgeon]

Lol I swapped 2 reads after reading the thread, gj thor.
Im saying stop giving kkb a pass for drinking your koolaid.

[Thor665]

Don't worry, they'll change again.

...no...you were saying that as an answer to my question about why Iec = teh townz. I don't think I'm being crazy here, why are you trying to shift what you said?

[Thor665]

How is he too town?
He seems shockingly useless to me. What am I missing?

Chkflip's scumcard. Alsk KKB's - look past the fact that he is agreeing with you on Mollie.

Here it is in context.
The 'he' I mention is Iec.

This is not 'here's why Iec is town...oh, by the way, stop giving KKB a pass.
It is Iec=town because scummy Chk and KKB think he's scummy.
That's a relational tell.
So WTS?

[AngryPidgeon]

I was saying that chk calling Iec so town he must be cult wasa load of shit.

Kkb was an unrelated thought.

I do think Iec is town for reasons I haven't really gone into.

[PeregrineV]

I think empking needs to be the lynch today regardless.

It is kind of looking that way isn't it.

Also why are you ignoring PV's RECRUITMENT claim when hemming and hawing about whether or not there is a cult

. THAT is the most solid evidence for a cult being in the game. And you seem to understand that because you want to lynch Emp who supposedly is the one who would have recruited her.

I dunno, mebbe cos I read this by myko:

@Mod - if a hypothetical Voyeur targeted a hypothetical character who was neighborized - would the PM the hypothetical voyeur get say 'recruited'?

I don't think it would be very standard, but the voyeur as I know it gets general results (protected, investigated). Neighbourized would be rather specific, so yes, I could see recruited as a result.

I was also operating under the assumption that straight up cult games had to be advertised but I have been told otherwise. personally I think it is scum who have a recruit mechanism where the team is allowed x amount of recruits and can nk if they choose not to recruit. I have played lots of games like that and to me it makes the most sense but I am not discounting that might be strictly a cult game.

Did you read this?

@Mod - if a hypothetical Voyeur targeted a hypothetical mafia traitor character who was targeted for the kill by the mafia team that same night- would the PM the hypothetical voyeur get say 'recruited'?

@Mod- if a hypothetical Voyeur targeted a hypothetical player and that player was visited by multiple players, would all actions be seen by the hypothetical voyeur?

yes on both.

[PeregrineV]

FTR, I don't think there is a cult. I think citizens are VT, and zombies are scum.

I could be wrong. If HD is town, then his role+cult has a lot more synergy. But then if there is a cult, EmpKing is the cult leader and needs to be lynched, or he started the game as cult neighborizor. If Emp flips cult neighborizor, then all that's left, according to HD, is one cult somethingornother, or a single mafiate.

Willing to listen about why the 2nd paragraph makes more sense than the first.

[Thor665]

Kkb was an unrelated thought.

I do think Iec is town for reasons I haven't really gone into.

1.

2. You are aware I specifically asked you why Iec was town, right? I mean, you apparently gave an answer that was 50% unrelated thoughts, so if you want to dial that in it would be great.

[MattP]

Cool Reads W/ Master Detective AP

[AngryPidgeon]

You are aware I specifically asked you why Iec was town, right?

Oh well, I wasn't actually responding to that or anything. I was just passing judgments on Chkflip and getting excited about talking to you.

Yar, yar, after work, etc.

Thanks Matt [ :

But remember I'm scum when Emp flips town.

[chkflip]

Kaney's been slippin' hard in the paint.

UNVOTE: chkflip
VOTE: kanyeknowsbest