Open 504: Masons and Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[BoroPhil]

As I explained in that post I told you to read, no, I don't see how he arrived there. He more or less forced it.

the post you refer to though is a tldr of 1220 in which 2b1s basically points the fos at muttley, regardless of how he arrives at that conclusion. if he was trying to force something, why involve muttley at that stage?

[pieceofpecanpie]

I'm trying to figure out how to make it more obvious that I'm a mason, but I uh - oops guess I just did.

Off to work now. Make sure to shoot me.

[Wisdom]

No, the post I'm talking about is 1449. I explained there what he wanted to do. Lynch Mutley, knowing that he will flip scum, then quicklynch goodmorning and me because one of us has to be his partner. That's the typical behavior when bussing, try to show associations of your partner with others so you can mislynch them after the bussing.

[Wisdom]

I'm trying to figure out how to make it more obvious that I'm a mason, but I uh - oops guess I just did.

Off to work now. Make sure to shoot me.

I don't see why a mason would do that. He would let the other masons lynch him to confuse the scum, if anything. Do I need to remind you that we can afford to lynch a mason, but not a VT?

[BoroPhil]

No, the post I'm talking about is 1449. I explained there what he wanted to do. Lynch Mutley, knowing that he will flip scum, then quicklynch goodmorning and me because one of us has to be his partner. That's the typical behavior when bussing, try to show associations of your partner with others so you can mislynch them after the bussing.

yeah ok, I see where you are coming from now. are you not at risk of over thinking this though?

[pieceofpecanpie]

Do I need to remind you that anything and everything I do will confirm that I'm scum to your thickheaded playstyle.

So lynch me. Or shoot me.

[BoroPhil]

What do you make of that weird certainty after 1536?

well, it's not totally out of character for someone to act as if it's a done deal is it? what I do find odd is 1529, 1531 and now 1551. How is a mass claim going to benefit town when it puts us into instant lylo? my immediate thought was he was trying to trap you, or someone else. it is also possible I'm missing something again re the game mechanics

[Wisdom]

Do I need to remind you that anything and everything I do will confirm that I'm scum to your thickheaded playstyle.

So lynch me. Or shoot me.

So you think I'm town now? Decide.

And that is completely wrong. That's what Maestro was saying, that there's no way I will change my mind after tunneling. Do you remember that I did that with my tunnel on KX and my tunnel on you? Do you remember what Maestro flipped?

[Wisdom]

What do you make of that weird certainty after 1536?

well, it's not totally out of character for someone to act as if it's a done deal is it? what I do find odd is 1529, 1531 and now 1551. How is a mass claim going to benefit town when it puts us into instant lylo? my immediate thought was he was trying to trap you, or someone else. it is also possible I'm missing something again re the game mechanics

The problem is that if we lynch a VT, then if the scum takes 3 accurate shots, he wins (since 1 scum and 1 VT remain). While, if they out now, we go into instant 2VT - 1 scum lylo.
There is a chance, as small as it is, that the scum is not 100% certain about who the 3 masons are, which is why I'd prefer not to have them claim.

[Wisdom]

What do you make of that weird certainty after 1536?

well, it's not totally out of character for someone to act as if it's a done deal is it?

It isn't in general, but pecan first calls me town, then scum, then town, then he states he's certain I'm scum. And now he apparently states I'm town again. This is the weird part.

[TheIrishPope]

Bitches ain't shit man

[TheIrishPope]

I'm open to questions if any

[Wisdom]

TIP you're still voting me

[TheIrishPope]

Uh... yeah

[Wisdom]

Uh... yeah. Now vote pecan. Or birds.

[TheIrishPope]

Not voting pecan
Not voting birds until I hear from him

[Wisdom]

What do you want to hear from him?

[TheIrishPope]

His thoughts and shit

[Wisdom]

His thoughts are that you should quicklynch me because goodmorning wasn't scum. Do you agree with that?

[BoroPhil]

Hurry up and get to my #1470 so you can continue to tell me what a bandwagoning scum I am.

What I do find interesting about 1470 is that you and Wisdom were operating on the same lines re 2b1s until you started bickering and turned on each other.

You've both raised some good points about 2b1s which has made me re-assess my position on him somewhat. However, if he was scum I still think he would have voted me this morning as it would have put him into the strong position as detailed by Wisdom above and then he could have still pushed the Wisdom lynch.

Also, Muttley did flip scum (yes, if he was scum he would have known that), but it is possible that just gave him more confidence in the position he described which is why he was totally focussed on completing the trio.

Nothing PoPP has posted tonight though has done anything to make him look less scummy though.

I'd like to hear 2b1s' thoughts on what Wisdom raised about the trio.

Irish/Penguin - would appreciate some substantial input from you two as well.

[BoroPhil]

What do you make of that weird certainty after 1536?

well, it's not totally out of character for someone to act as if it's a done deal is it? what I do find odd is 1529, 1531 and now 1551. How is a mass claim going to benefit town when it puts us into instant lylo? my immediate thought was he was trying to trap you, or someone else. it is also possible I'm missing something again re the game mechanics

The problem is that if we lynch a VT, then if the scum takes 3 accurate shots, he wins (since 1 scum and 1 VT remain). While, if they out now, we go into instant 2VT - 1 scum lylo.
There is a chance, as small as it is, that the scum is not 100% certain about who the 3 masons are, which is why I'd prefer not to have them claim.

yeah and he has to be pretty damned near 100% sure.

[TheIrishPope]

I'd like to hear that from him
Substantial input? What more do you want?

[Wisdom]

I was hoping to be on earlier today, but I wasn't, so here I am.

Read last page, and I think we've all forgotten something that seems kinda obvious to me?

Isn't Wisdom kinda scum through virtue of goodmorning not being scum?

What happened to the Wisdom lynch?

Vote: Wisdom

I really don't get why this didn't happen in my absence.

I'll try to be on sometime tomorrow, but tonight's really not a good night for me.

He said it himself, TIP.

[TheIrishPope]

Maybe he changed his mind?
Also note his use of "kinda"; he's not sure of himself.

[Wisdom]

...
Did you read 1449 at all?