Newbie 1368 - Will there ever be a title? (GAME OVER)

[Grimgroove]

I would just save it full stop.

Anyway, you didn't read the game yourself, your reads on RachMarie were spectacularly wrong, I dislike you, and you are of no use to town even if you are aligned as such.

If it's not you, it's Core, so we win this game and if we can win it without you around, well, yay.

[Majiffy]

you didn't read the game yourself

False

your reads on RachMarie were spectacularly wrong

Your read on me is spectacularly wrong.

I dislike you

Sounds like a personal problem.

and you are of no use to town even if you are aligned as such.

Ha, sure thing buddy.

[Syryana]

I think we should lynch Core. Don't think Jiffy is scum atm.

VOTE: Core

Also the two of you should stop bickering.

[Grimgroove]

you didn't read the game yourself

False

You did not know the set-up.
How can you not know the set-up if you read the game?
We were talking about a jailkeeper and you had no clue what that was all about, you didn't know a doctor had died earlier, an event that should leave a moment of pause that you have ignored.
You don't give two shits about this game and it is obvious. You probably even forgot to send in the night kill because you couldn't be bothered.

[Syryana]

Please?

[Grimgroove]

I think we should lynch Core.

Why?

Don't think Jiffy is scum atm.

Why?

Also the two of you should stop bickering.

Meh.

pedit: That wasn't bickering. That was me saying why he's scum. Town would know they lost their doctor.

[Syryana]

a) Because I think it's between him and enomis, everyone else is town, and I feel better about a Core lynch than an enomis one
b) Just a feeling, this reminds me of when I last played with him as town in Micro 182 (though he was more willing to explain himself in that game now I think of it)
c) Not necessarily. I occasionally replace in and don't even bother to read the prior pages. Though Majiffy supposedly did, now I think on it.

Hmm.

UNVOTE:

Seems like I'm going to have to do a proper reread.

[Grimgroove]

enomis is town, for sure and certain.

[Grimgroove]

Well, I think at least :p

[Syryana]

Why?

[Grimgroove]

Because of his L-1 on RachMarie which was crucial given the dynamics of the game. This game was moving forward like a rusty old cart and his L-1 was the push it needed to reach the finish line.
Because of the plan he suggested during Day 3. It's not an amazing plan, but it's obviously made with the mindset of town. Just look at the way he tries to defend and from which angle. There is not the slightest hint at scum-perspective.
Because of the way he tried to defended RachMarie at first. Unlike Majiffy, he truly thought to have a point when saying we were random lynching a lurker. He still insists on that today. However wrong, it is a townish thing to do to try to prevent town from doing that, and it's not a scummish thing to do to openly and insistantly defend your partner like that.

And before you compare with Majiffy: Majiffy never presented any argument as to why RachMarie could be town (where enomis was considering her mostly a null-lurker, Majiffy actually called her town), and he also didn't truly engage in discussions about her. He just sat there calling everybody stupid and not voting RachMarie.

[homertve]

Something enomis said, made me think about this:

(before the flip):

enomis scum
Majiffy: to much of a dick to be scum, scum would have more of a filter than that

so back to my triangle

if rach=town syrana /may or may not/ = scum enomis =scum

if rach=scum enomis = scum

syrana =town

(after the flip):

not trying toflake just catching up

still leaning majiffy/enomis

syrana is confirmed town to me, and sorry i have 5 kids and work would have dropped the hammer i was just trying to give rach a chance to claim, just glad to see the lynch go through

Why did you change your "if rach is town, her partner is enomis" to "maybe it's majiffy" when you also said majiffy is "to much of a dick to be scum"?

VOTE: Core_H86

[Syryana]

Because of his L-1 on RachMarie which was crucial given the dynamics of the game. This game was moving forward like a rusty old cart and his L-1 was the push it needed to reach the finish line.

Best way to bus your partner; do it when no one thinks you should. This applies both to enomis' vote and my hammer.

Because of the plan he suggested during Day 3. It's not an amazing plan, but it's obviously made with the mindset of town. Just look at the way he tries to defend and from which angle. There is not the slightest hint at scum-perspective.

I'll go read the plan to confirm, but this sounds like a valid point.

Because of the way he tried to defended RachMarie at first. Unlike Majiffy, he truly thought to have a point when saying we were random lynching a lurker. He still insists on that today. However wrong, it is a townish thing to do to try to prevent town from doing that, and it's not a scummish thing to do to openly and insistantly defend your partner like that.

The part about lynching a lurker could come from scum or town. The last sentence is WIFOM.

And before you compare with Majiffy: Majiffy never presented any argument as to why RachMarie could be town (where enomis was considering her mostly a null-lurker, Majiffy actually called her town), and he also didn't truly engage in discussions about her. He just sat there calling everybody stupid and not voting RachMarie.

Hmm.

Pedit: Nice catch, homer.

[Grimgroove]

It is obvious Core didn't think that triangle through as much as he should have.
You could already know back then that the argument "too much of a dick to be scum" would never be enough to keep Majiffy out of these triangular considerations.
Does not warrant a vote.

[homertve]

Does not warrant a vote

Why don't you let him answer that?

[Grimgroove]

He's not around, and I, as always, am. I believed my perspective on this would be a nice addition to the discussions.
How do you feel about said perspective?
The dichotomy between the two posts you quoted of Core is not as big as to warrant a vote, in my opinion.

I'm sure he'll explain himself when he gets here, I'm just already telling you that for me, this won't be enough to vote him over Majiffy.

[homertve]

I think it's a classic scum behaviour. He came up with that triangle theory to show he's trying to find scum, but then he realises that he needs a backup plan because there's only one other person who think enomis is scum, so he "suspects" someone else.

Also, he wasn't voting to rach when we lynched her and he's already your second choice for a lynch, right?

[Grimgroove]

He's my second choice, yes.

[Core_H86]

not trying toflake just catching up still leaning majiffy/enomis syrana is confirmed town to me, and sorry i have 5 kids and work would have dropped the hammer i was just trying to give rach a chance to claim, just glad to see the lynch go through

What do you mean still leaning majiffy/enomis. When did u express that u think majiffy is scum. Iirc, u didnt. Well on mobile now so need to doubke check.

And why is syr conf town? If you are doing a soft-claim, you are doing a really bad job at it.

i added majiffy to my list as possible scum one for his douchness two size of scumpool had to be increased beings we have plenty of time and i was down to enomis.
syr is confirmed town because logic, no there's no claims coming from my slot

[Core_H86]

Something enomis said, made me think about this:

(before the flip):

enomis scum
Majiffy: to much of a dick to be scum, scum would have more of a filter than that

so back to my triangle

if rach=town syrana /may or may not/ = scum enomis =scum

if rach=scum enomis = scum

syrana =town

(after the flip):

not trying toflake just catching up

still leaning majiffy/enomis

syrana is confirmed town to me, and sorry i have 5 kids and work would have dropped the hammer i was just trying to give rach a chance to claim, just glad to see the lynch go through

Why did you change your "if rach is town, her partner is enomis" to "maybe it's majiffy" when you also said majiffy is "to much of a dick to be scum"?

VOTE: Core_H86

i also said i would lynch majiffy for spite before the rach turn

[Core_H86]

It is obvious Core didn't think that triangle through as much as he should have.
You could already know back then that the argument "too much of a dick to be scum" would never be enough to keep Majiffy out of these triangular considerations.
Does not warrant a vote.

I'm sorry from my perspective i built that triangle for a day 1 lynch, it's day two with time on the clock and mislynchs available, now is time for expanding the suspicions and isoing others.

[homertve]

i added majiffy to my list as possible scum one for his douchness

No, that's not true. You never added him for his douchness. You just said you would lynch him just for being a douch, even though you

don't

think he's scum.

[Grimgroove]

This is how I see it:

Core did one thing wrong: he did not include Majiffy in his theory of the triangles as possible scum, based on a flimsy argument that Majiffy was too much of a dick to be scum.

This was obviously a mistake, but how is it a scumtell?

No, I really don't see it.

Have you got anything else on Core? You do realize this is not enough right, even if it is 100 procent valid?

I want more people to share their thoughts on Majiffy. I have the impression that the mere fact he's being well, less than kind, makes him town. Along the lines of Core's thinking not to put him in the triangle. This is NOT enough.

I want to see more reasons why MAjiffy is town or why Core is scum before I even begin considering moving my vote.

[Grimgroove]

rach is a lurker and bland in her arguments but enomis' adaments only draw my suspicions post 856 was rather unassuring, scum would hammer a partner regardless,
eno's has a closed and targeted mind on syrana, considering the play with rach and his insistence to get rach to throw out a read on syrana i get the sense of a partnership wether it's onesided or not.
I see scum motivation in the direction of his play
1 stop the lynch of a lurker at L1 get a little town cred and a buddy
2jump to the closest band wagon (syrana)and push it to the lynch

you really see Eno's play as coming from scum? What is the motivation ?

yes

if you know your town you don't know his alignment why would you trust him to snuggle up in your blindspot
eno screams scum to me
and if he flips town i know tomorrow syrana is scum

vote enomis

This actually doesn't make him look very good, come to think of it.

[Grimgroove]

1 day left i will go with a rach lynch but prefer enomis--side note i'd lynch majiffy just to see the dick die
MAJIFFY=douche
now that's^ in real life game play hard to tell

preview edit will do i have tommorrow off if need be i'll switch to rach- hang enomis!!

Neither does this.