Mini Normal 1460 - Normalville Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Grimgroove]

Except when there's a RB and my role is completely useless.

You see, it's these little things that make her town in my eyes.

[Baezu]

Sorry for trip posting but I'm not sure what difference it makes anyway who I investigated if I got a no result. I was leaning on Slandaar town for most of d1 but then he changed his tack and started wagonning me so I apparently checked him instead of my null. At this point I'm pretty pissed that town forced me to out my role. I don't know if I would have been RB'd if I didn't claim. I thought I could really be useful for town but now I realize that I actually have just as much power as any VT - less actually bc of my inexprience. Oh well, I guess I can learn more about the game this way. I'm disappointed in myself for not being able to help out more than just making educated guesses. I was hoping I could make a factual difference. Reads to come soon...

[Baezu]

Oh, and note to scum - if you want to hide, get on the team that thinks I'm town. You'll be harder to spot that way!

[chernobylcitybus]

@chernobylcitybus, PeregrineV:

You have some explaining to do.

About what?

[Elyse]

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ike Kattaze and that's it.

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andom playerlist.

VOTE: Kattaze

Here's my breadcrumb btw.

[Grimgroove]

I believe Elyse.

Let's all vote Peregrine now.

Or Ztife.

Both are fine by me.

Maybe even Red Dragon, but a bit meh'ish about that one.

[Slandaar]

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eh.

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only know

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ike Kattaze and that's it.

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ike I usually know almost

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veryone.

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andom playerlist.

VOTE: Kattaze

Here's my breadcrumb btw.

See I have huge issues with this.

Why if you are breadcrumbing like this did you not breadcrumb your FULL ROLE?
Why did you not claim in your first post you are a miller?

It is just such a good defence as scum to do this... just leave out the role so you can choose that later.

[Elyse]

Oh come on. There wasn't much I could say with the letters J O A T that wouldn't look obvious.

[Baezu]

Ooh. That's pretty convincing....incredibly smart. Not sure if I can argue with that. Perhaps grim is right.

[Baezu]

UNVOTE: Elyse

Ztife does seem like the next option

[ac1983fan]

Vote Count

RedDragon (2) - chernobylcitybus, Nachopappa (L-4)

Baezu (1) - Elyse
PeregrineV (1) - Grimgroove

Not Voting (7) - PeregrineV, Slandaar, Ztife, Red Dragon, Miss Stranger, SunnyDays, Baezu

With 11 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch or no lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-22 09:00:00).

[Slandaar]

Oh come on. There wasn't much I could say with the letters J O A T that wouldn't look obvious.

It's really not that hard

Just so you guys all know On the 10th I Am not going To have much internet access.

Why didn't you claim in your first post? I see you keep avoiding this question.

[Miss Stranger]

@Mod: V/LA until Saturday. Big sis is home :3

[Ztife]

Fine. I'm a miller JOAT.
I have one track, one protection, and one vig shot.

Why would you claim at L-2?

Lets just massclaim that is the solution and saves a lot of hassle.

RD
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Ztife
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Sunny
Nacho
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Grim
Me

Massclaim allows us to find out what is going on NOW and that is important. Do not try to be clever and claim VT as a PR, we will be confirm towning Elyse/Baezu if there are not enough PR claims so do NOT fakeclaim as town. Doing so is hugely detrimental to the town, assumptions will be made based on what is claimed, by faking all you do is ensure those assumptions are wrong.

I already anticipated this, son. You literally do this every game. Assuming things go according to your plan this will only ensure we reveal our town PRs, and assuming what baezu said is true about RB this will fuck us up bad.
Although, if its an RB/odd cop/JOAT miller I would expect a weak third town PR. Revealing this 3rd town PR would only fuck things up more.

[Red Dragon]

And I'm not stupid enough to claim miller joat as scum. That doesn't even make sense. I wtf'd at my role when I got it but there's nothing I can do about it.

wifom. I mean, I believe your claim, but you aren't exactly helping yourself out here.

Oh come on. There wasn't much I could say with the letters J O A T that wouldn't look obvious.

well, I mean seeing as all bread crumbs are really asinine and always incredibly hard to spot I think you would be safe with wring in joat...
But really guys? Are we going to lynch someone who the scum are going to kill for us?


I really need to think about this game and reformulate some reads.

[Grimgroove]

Miss Stranger's 821 looks like a good start to get town's act together.
What we're lacking is a town leader, definitely now with Nachomamma gone.
I won't be one, Miss Stranger's criticism on me was entirely correct and doesn't put me in any position to steer sheep.
What's going on right now, though, is unacceptable from a Town PoV. There's no pressure on anyone anymore.

I think everyone agrees Miss Stranger is obvtown right? At least I think so.
Her reads are genuine, and on top of that, they make sense.

We should get pressure on her top scumreads. Peregrine or Ztife I don't care, but one of them needs a wagon behind them, sooner rather than later.

Elyse's claim story is a whole bunch of WIFOM. By the end of the day she'll have to prove herself one way or the other, either by tracking someone and giving the result the next day, or killing someone town agrees on. I'd personally prefer the first method. Don't know why she insisted on doing the vig first.

The massclaim idea of Slandaar, I think it's too early for that, but it's something we're bound to do later.

If anyone else wants to lead town, like Slandaar for instance, be my guest but right now the town-play has been a a bit of a joke (for which I do not deny partial responsability)

[Elyse]

I didn't claim in my first post because I didn't want to.

[Slandaar]

Let us assume you are a miller, you breadcrumbed as such, why did you decide to do that?

[Slandaar]

I already anticipated this, son. You literally do this every game.

lol

I do it when I feel it is most beneficial and right now is a very beneficial time as it clears up a lot of confusion.

Assuming things go according to your plan this will only ensure we reveal our town PRs, and assuming what baezu said is true about RB this will fuck us up bad.
Although, if its an RB/odd cop/JOAT miller I would expect a weak third town PR. Revealing this 3rd town PR would only fuck things up more.

OK

Well, you have managed to make a good setup spec assumption, I agree, there is only one more PR IF note the if, IF both Elyse and Baezu are town. If they are both town, then it helps in a lot of ways.

We can analyse wagons with a lot more information a lot earlier, We can focus all of our attentions on finding scum instead of PR claims, It just generally narrows down the lynch pool and thus increases the chance to find scum.

When one or both are scum, what happens? lots of PR claim, we know there is then scum in the PR, we can make a sensible conclusion as to how many and then depending on this we can either lynch in the PR's (only if there is 2/3 scum) or we can lynch from the VT claims (if only one PR claim is going to be scum)

This means we again have narrowed down the lynch pool and are making much more informed lynches.

The only negative is sure scum know who are the PR's. But that really doesn't matter as scum can only kill one PR a day and IF Elyses claim is legit, then we won't have a doc etc it will be an even night watcher is my guess or something similar.

[Elyse]

Let us assume you are a miller, you breadcrumbed as such, why did you decide to do that?

So people would believe me later when I claimed.

[PeregrineV]

Just back today, will come back later.

[Slandaar]

Let us assume you are a miller, you breadcrumbed as such, why did you decide to do that?

So people would believe me later when I claimed.

OK and when would you need to claim?

[Baezu]

Slandaar I see your point about mass claiming. Elyse and I have already claimed and as far as I'm concerned we are both town so can we just go with your scenario that assumes we are both town? I know I'm town and I would think that unless Elyse is an exceptionally deceptive player (which she very well may be - you'd know better than I cuz you've prob played with her before) she is also town. Even if we assume that one of us is scum there are still 2 more scum in the rest of the people on this thread. So let's focus on those people for awhile and we can revisit our supposed scumminess at a later time. Right now my top reads are peregrine and ztife. Who do you think is more scummy of those two?

[Grimgroove]

Even if we assume that one of us is scum there are still 2 more scum in the rest of the people on this thread.

What gave you the idea there's 3 bad guys?

[Baezu]

The other good thing about having a joat and a tracker is that maf can only rb one of them so hopefully we can get some useful info n2