Mini 1475: War in the Middle East Mafia (Game Over)

[waynegg]

My goal was a 3 for 2 payout by end of D3. I think that goal is obtainable and would put town well ahead of scum in the exchange.

Your Troubles Will Cease (3): waynegg, killerjester, BROseidon
Baezu (2): Your Troubles Will Cease, rhyx
killerjester (1): Salt n Pepper
waynegg (1): T S O
Not Voting: Ten_Heavens, FuDuzn, Marquis, Baezu

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, August 5th at 9 PM Eastern Time.

[BROseidon]

Wayne is definitely town. This is 100% in character for him.

[BROseidon]

Bro, where did I say to make wall cases? I'm saying your vote looks lazy.

How would you define a "not lazy" early vote?

[waynegg]

And, Beetlejuice wasn't a very good explanation. I'll be more thorough...

When someone with heat, who has been silent for a while, is called out and immediately pops in to say something like "choo choo. this is exciting" as a sarcastic defense, it shows they've been lurking and waiting for that "right moment" to derail the conversation. It also means they are Beetlejuice (because they come when they're called) and most likely scum.

Yeah. That's more complete and easier to understand.

[waynegg]

Think that through really well TSO. Why would I reveal a play that was so under the radar it's ridiculous if I were scum doing that. If you're still happy with your vote, keep it, but unless you're the other scum it's a bad vote.

that's a lot of wifom and ate, dawg.

why did you vig am?

Actually, it omgus, but yeah. And one case isn't a lot. It's one.

[BROseidon]

And, Beetlejuice wasn't a very good explanation. I'll be more thorough...

When someone with heat, who has been silent for a while, is called out and immediately pops in to say something like "choo choo. this is exciting" as a sarcastic defense, it shows they've been lurking and waiting for that "right moment" to derail the conversation. It also means they are Beetlejuice (because they come when they're called) and most likely scum.

Yeah. That's more complete and easier to understand.

I feel like bad town players sometimes do that too, though.

Like SAD.

[waynegg]

Nah. Look at his D2 play in a newbie 1370 (post 539 on) he was lynched that day and he was town. His play was completely different.

[Baezu]

Current reads:

Wayne town
TSO scummy
YTWC null
Salt and pepper town
rhyx town
killerjester null
Bro null

Everyone else - not enough info

Please let me know if you want me to elaborate on any of these.

[Your Troubles Will Cease]

Nah. Look at his D2 play in a newbie 1370 (post 539 on) he was lynched that day and he was town. His play was completely different.

GIF mislynched me based on meta with Bitmap pushing it along as scum. I was pretty sure I was going to be lynched that day, with nothing for Town to go on the next day. Whereas here I'm pretty confident I won't be lynched today here, but if I am there's a giant steaming pile of gold for people to work with tomorrow. Hence my flippancy.

You're right, there isn't a clear Town thought process for assuming an early Dayvig is town. Hence why I didn't assume it. The core of your case is wrong, and the layers you're trying to build on top of it are unstable. You're town though. Are you a GIF alt?

Baezu, that's too much null. Give your opinion on the game.

[Your Troubles Will Cease]

Oh, and also. You have a scum read, so why aren't you voting for them?

[Salt n Pepper]

Current reads:

Wayne town
TSO scummy
YTWC null
Salt and pepper town
rhyx town
killerjester null
Bro null

Everyone else - not enough info

Please let me know if you want me to elaborate on any of these.

Elaborate on all of them lol

-pi

[T S O]

Guys, why would he bomb an obvTownie so he could potentially catch scum with a gambit? It's that part I have a problem with.

[Baezu]

ok. I've thoroughly reread the entire thread and re-evaluated my previous post. This is the latest scrutiny of the thread. Here goes:

Ten heavens and Fuduzn, truly haven't said much of anything - null

Nice waynegg is 100% town.

I like your style. I don't think he is, but you are.

VOTE: Baezu
Well that wasn't incredibly awkward and stilted. Want to change your mind again?

YTWC: What makes you think jester is town?

TSO - This post made me feel like you didn't even read the paltry 7 pages before making it.

hello, my people.

waynegg seems ...off. Quite off indeed.

Watch this space.

YTWC is a potential Town, but not quite sure. I need a re-read.

How did Wayne seem off? wtf is "watch this space" for?

Marquis, rhyx both town.

Wayne I believe him and I find his logic interesting. town

Salt and Pepper null leaning scum

I don't see the case on YTWC, dont see the mountainous scumslip waynegg has made out of the molehill.

Do you see a valid "case" on any player at this point?

Because if you can honestly right more than 2-3 lines about why anyone is scum at this point I'd be super impressed. We are functionally still in early day 1 as far as scumhunting goes.

This post validates stupid votes, stupid cases, and laziness as far as I'm concerned.

- pi

I agree with rhyx. I think wayne is making a bigger deal out of YTWC. How is any of it lazy?

Bro - null

Killerjester - At first, i thought he was the one who did the vigkill. He brought it up first as a question (post 45) then it looked like he was going to use post 69 to cover up that it was him.

Nice waynegg is 100% town.

VOTE: FuDuzn

I find this post ridiculous. Voting for Fuduzn with no explanation whatsoever. Also, he had already mentioned that he felt we were no longer in RVS. So a serious vote on someone with nothing to go on? Then I asked him to explain it. He just reiterated and gave me this:

^^Why are you saying Wayne is 100% town?

I actually think he's leaning more and more scum.

He's as town as he'll ever be this game. I don't care if I flip on every other read in the game, I'm never changing my mind about waynegg.

Why do you think he's scum?

Again, no real information, just reiteration. Let me answer your question. I don't think Wayne is scum. I think he's town. Why? cuz he explained his vigkill, he's scumhunting. he has been active and questioning. This is why I think he's town. So again, I want you to explain that post given in the context of when you said it - before Wayne was outed as vig. What made you post that when you did? All I can think of - scum

VOTE: KillerJester

[T S O]

Waynegg, you may as well claim since you've already outed your action.

[T S O]

yeah okay I'm starting to get how his gambit worked, there was a reason to kill Am.

still want his claim.

[Salt n Pepper]

@Baezu: I was calling Broseidon lazy, not Rhyx.
But if you were reading carefully you would have known that.

- pi

[Salt n Pepper]

Hey TSO

So, I got the one shot town dayvig

[T S O]

I don't understand what you're trying to convey here.

[T S O]

I'm not convinced it was in any way the best way to use it but the fact remains that excluding some sort of timer mechanic, scum would not have used it d1.

[Salt n Pepper]

You asked for a claim. 138 damn well looks like one.

[waynegg]

Nah. Look at his D2 play in a newbie 1370 (post 539 on) he was lynched that day and he was town. His play was completely different.

GIF mislynched me based on meta with Bitmap pushing it along as scum. I was pretty sure I was going to be lynched that day, with nothing for Town to go on the next day. Whereas here I'm pretty confident I won't be lynched today here, but if I am there's a giant steaming pile of gold for people to work with tomorrow. Hence my flippancy.

You're right, there isn't a clear Town thought process for assuming an early Dayvig is town. Hence why I didn't assume it. The core of your case is wrong, and the layers you're trying to build on top of it are unstable. You're town though. Are you a GIF alt?

Baezu, that's too much null. Give your opinion on the game.

You being mislynched has nothing to do with your playstyle. Your playstyle was relaxed all the til your neck was stretched. No snark. Kept hunting. Only lightly acknowledged the vote on you. Kept playing town.

Here, you're snarky, reactionary, and egocentric. I don't expect you to lay over, but you and I both know you're caught.

Oh, and also. You have a scum read, so why aren't you voting for them?

I have 2 scum reads and can only off one at a time, but adorable try.

I'm not convinced it was in any way the best way to use it but the fact remains that excluding some sort of timer mechanic, scum would not have used it d1.

Truth is, dayvig usually hits town anyhow. I chose a method to maximize what we could gain with the shot. Shoot and miss later, well damn, back to the drawing board. Shoot and miss now, scum tell you they're scum.

[killerjester]

@Baezu I got whiff of waynegg gambitting from the manner he badmouthed RVS on D1, then suddenly wanted to start RVS on D2 after the WTFdayvig. I didn't know exactly what he was up to, but he was calling for more votes on FuzDuzn so I felt I had to man the fuck up. I crumbed my actions a little bit but didn't really want to say too much for fear of revealing his shenanigans until he outted himself.

Waynegg, I actually don't see why Fuzzy was scum I was kinda just sheeping you on that one so if you could let me know later I'd appreciate it thanks.

[Salt n Pepper]

Yeah, didn't like that reads list very much.

VOTE: Baezu for now.

- pi

[T S O]

I was wondering was he a bland 1-shot dayvig or were there any other mechanics in his role PM eg. Timer on the daykill, miller etc

[killerjester]

TSO, waynegg is town. Any further rolefishing is bad and you should feel bad.