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Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:39 am

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Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:45 am

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In post 1747, Amrun wrote:CES, it makes more sense as coming from scum than coming from town, imo, though it doesn't make much sense as either. Care to enlighten me?
Okay, so.

Fake-forgetting as Town makes this much sense:
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Fake-forgetting as Scum makes this much sense:
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ACTUALLY forgetting as either alignment makes this much sense:
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So why are you focusing on "we're more likely to fake-forget as scum" when singer OBVIOUSLY JUST LEGIT FORGOT?
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Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:47 am

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Yeah, singer probably forgot.

I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about how your claims have progressed throughout the game.
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Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:48 am

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In post 1747, Amrun wrote:CES, it makes more sense as coming from scum than coming from town, imo, though it doesn't make much sense as either. Care to enlighten me?
It just naturally comes about when you feel you have relevant role knowledge to share but you know that you don't actually have to claim fully to get it across and there's no L-1 situation or similar that would make you claim. I've acted very similarly in at least two occasions I can think of.
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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
In post 1739, Amrun wrote:I don't like teehee we are almost kind of but not really counterclaiming. No.
You don't have to like it, but let's not pretend this makes sense as a scum play. Town are often in this place where they want to share certain pieces of information but no more than that.
But see she was also attacking Nuwen for doing exactly that. It's pretty damn hypocritical.
It is actually different but hypocrisy is also not scummy anyway.
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Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:50 am

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In post 1753, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:It just naturally comes about when you feel you have relevant role knowledge to share but you know that you don't actually have to claim fully to get it across and there's no L-1 situation or similar that would make you claim. I've acted very similarly in at least two occasions I can think of.
So you've fakeclaimed vig on day 1 as an investigative role, as town? Really?
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Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:52 am

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why the fuck is remembering a game fo shadow hunters at a meet even REMOTELY relevant here holy fuck
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Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:54 am

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Because Triforce questioned the validity of Nuwen's flavorclaim by questioning if Mina and Faraday ever played Shadow Hunters at the meet, despite having played with them.

But the latter part is probably not relevant -- I was just eating paranoia flakes for a little bit. The former part is still scummy.
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Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:56 am

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In post 1756, Amrun wrote:Because Triforce questioned the validity of Nuwen's flavorclaim by questioning if Mina and Faraday ever played Shadow Hunters at the meet, despite having played with them.

But the latter part is probably not relevant -- I was just eating paranoia flakes for a little bit. The former part is still scummy.
....which we COMPLETELY DROPPED after singer realized we were wrong. It was something that could have helped when it was relevant, but DIDN'T MATTER when it stopped being relevant.
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Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:58 am

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Well, see, even if Mina and Faraday had never played shadow hunters, it was still a weird detraction because we all know everyone submitted ideas.
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Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:58 am

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.....which is why we originally asked if people had submitted that but rescinded it because that's probably breaking the rules.
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Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:00 am

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That just means Triforce is reading my posts with a lot of confirmation bias, I think. Confirmation bias is a town thing usually.
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Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:00 am

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Like, everything you're trying to argue we MANUFACTURED FOR SUSPICIONS is stuff that:
A) would be FUCKING MORONIC TO TRY TO MANUFACTURE IF WE WERE SCUM (or town); and
B) we were trying to do to legit find out if there was cause to disbelieve the claim. It wasn't "THIS PERSON MUST BE CONDEMNED" but more of a "did people really think this was significant enough to turn into a role?"
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Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:00 am

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I will also say I have info which supports Nuwen's claim.

That is all
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Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:04 am

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In post 1754, Amrun wrote:
In post 1753, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:It just naturally comes about when you feel you have relevant role knowledge to share but you know that you don't actually have to claim fully to get it across and there's no L-1 situation or similar that would make you claim. I've acted very similarly in at least two occasions I can think of.
So you've fakeclaimed vig on day 1 as an investigative role, as town? Really?
Pretty sure we weren't talking about. Also pretty sure that's another thing I don't care about.
In post 1759, Triforce wrote:.....which is why we originally asked if people had submitted that but rescinded it because that's probably breaking the rules.
The ongoing games rule doesn't work in that direction, silly.
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Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:12 am

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Ugh, we're seriously out of fucks to give.

Either people are going to vote us or not, but we have nothing to hide and we're essentially vanilla now and Iece is town, etc.
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Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:13 am

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Uh, so why not just go ahead and claim outright?
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Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:13 am

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Meh, don't answer that.
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Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:32 am

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^no, that's actually a pretty legitimate question.

Why didn't you claim your role name after going berserk at Nuwen for not claiming hers?
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Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:33 am

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In post 1763, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
In post 1754, Amrun wrote:
In post 1753, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:It just naturally comes about when you feel you have relevant role knowledge to share but you know that you don't actually have to claim fully to get it across and there's no L-1 situation or similar that would make you claim. I've acted very similarly in at least two occasions I can think of.
So you've fakeclaimed vig on day 1 as an investigative role, as town? Really?
Pretty sure we weren't talking about. Also pretty sure that's another thing I don't care about.
In post 1759, Triforce wrote:.....which is why we originally asked if people had submitted that but rescinded it because that's probably breaking the rules.
The ongoing games rule doesn't work in that direction, silly.
Well, that was part of what I was talking about.

But since you weren't, I don't think the town play is to imply that you have a counterclaim but are trying to hide it, and then when it's brought to the forefront, retract that.


Triforce, then you have no reason not to fullclaim. Why wouldn't you claim your role name, after all that happened?

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Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:41 am

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also i might as well share some probably silly paranoia while we're doing this

thought that it Tri+Nuwen might be scum together and Nuwen stole Tri's fakeclaim. Doesn't seem nearly as likely now that AD's claimed info on Nuwen's role probexisting though.
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Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:51 am

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In post 1668, Triforce wrote: Also, did anybody know of Mina or Faraday playing Shadow Hunters? Did anybody send in Shadow Hunters as a significant idea for use in the invitational? Because the only time I saw SH being played, they weren't there, and I don't think of one random game out of many as being role-worthy
They taught me to play so they were sure as hell there.

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Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:53 am

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how about VOTING or something hten, bb
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Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:04 am

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Holy fuck lots of posts while I was on the train. I still have three more pages to read but are Triforce seriously implying that Shadow Hunters is implausible flavour? And if they really weren't sure about it then I find it hard to believe that they would be that accusatory straight off. Wouldn't you just check if other people found it weird?
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Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:05 am

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Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:13 am

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On second thought perhaps not as accusatory as I first read it. Don't make flash posts on skim catchups, kids. Full list of who I would and wouldn't vote in a mo when my damn PC hurries up and loads and i can get off my phone.
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