Open 520: Stacking the Deck Part II - Game Over...Mafia Win!

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VOTE: jason

for stalking me

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FUZZY!

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Sak is this your new thing?

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leaning town on jsmith atm. Good post

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Bubba and jsmith for scum buddies?


minus jsmith.

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I would say sak was pretty obvious as scum but I'm sure she's sorted out her flaws by now

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oh and I will tunnel on fuzzy at some point

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oh and I will tunnel on fuzzy at some point

I hope so. I sure do enjoy some Mut tunneling.

I warn you it will be really bad, but we will win from it

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Who the hell is soundsofmusic? And how do you know me

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Just caught up. Bubba flail more please

VOTE: bubba jack

L-1 I think

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@Sounds: how do you feel about Mutley putting me at L-1 with no reasoning?

@Mutley: Why did you put me at L-1?

cos you flailed like a little scum butt

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although I kind of like SoM points so for now

UNVOTE:

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What you want to lynch me and jason for non scummy reasons?

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Can we lynch the IC please just for stupidness?

Is it experience alone? Surely at least a when Mutley and Jason are scum they can be very deceptive or something?

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That's the worst scum tell ever.

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Pfft if you weren't the IC you'd be lynched by now. You are the most anti town here. I'm going to ignore you from now on and focus elsewhere.

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You are the worst Innocent Child ever, but thank god you are or i would lynch the fucking shit out of you.

Hence why i said this Mutley.

If any doc or BG protects the IC i will be a little annoyed, he is someone we can easily do without.

P-Edit: Seriously? I'm going to beat you down if you continue that, a lynch based on experience contain's no info, a lynch based on scumminess does.

Yer just cos he is confirmed town doesn't make someone worth saving. In lylo yes we won't vote him but he is just as likely to lead mislynches as scum is

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No one is brutally attacking him.

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Also confirmed town does not mean invulnerable to criticism. Just lynches

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Lol if you think that's brutal

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I'm back to thinking bubba is definitely scum again so

VOTE: bubba

L-1 again

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I unvoted you cos SoM made a point. So I didn't want to give someone a chance to hammer.
You've flailed like a scum butt.

I think you've seen this IC criticism as a way to come and defend a conf town to give yourself town cred

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Oh and you think I'm scum so yer that's my main reason.

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We aren't advocating his lynch. We can still attack his reasons and stuff.

Conf town just means we won't ever lynch him. That's all nothing else. If he is playing piss poor he doesn't get a let off. He just doesn't get voted

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Yours was more OMGus as I had my vote on you/intention on you before you started calling me scummy.

I can say what I want. Why do you never say that?

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Also I notice you called me scum 2014. Luckily it's 2013 so I'm not scum yer?

Well if my intention was elsewhere I'd have voted elsewhere

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No one is saying policy lynch the guy.

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although I kind of like SoM points so for now

UNVOTE:

The for now implies that it's only a short term thing.

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Spam posts FTW. Sorry guys last thing. I'd rather be in a lylo with people who have better logic than an IC with poor logic. Just cos you know who the scum is, doesn't mean he does.

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Me voting him and saying that would be a PL. The words are for emphasis my actions are what you should look at

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Pfft stop clutching on pedantic points.

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But just to let you know actions speak louder than words. Analysing actions, then motivation for actions and words, then the words is the best process to finding scum

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Didn't say ignore my words, but I never called for a PL my actions confirm that. My words were to emphasise his play. Again flail more and be pedantic

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My words were that to emphasise my actions were not. How do you think I'd get a PL on someone without starting the wagon.

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Lol yes you are right I am lying. I was really hoping to get the IC lynched on Day 1.

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Scum hunting =/= town

Especially when done your way

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FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL blah blah Mutley said lynch the IC only scum want to do that blah blah blah FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL:

this is all I hear right now.

Think about it also bubba even if I was doing it to get a PL on the IC. What scum in their right mind would draw that much attention to themselves

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FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL ignoring good question about why scum would PL an IC and bring attention FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL

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Just to let you know all you have on me is that I said I wanted to lynch the IC.

Great case.

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249 is to me you admitting you are scum. SoM called you town for giving off a town tell in the whole lynch me crap and hard to fake scum emotion. So you've gone overboard on it and tried to make it seem you are getting wound up over me being scum

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I actually said no one is advocating it. Meaning no one is actually going to do it.
Just cos someone is conf town doesn't mean he is right. We are allowed to discredit his arguements and reasoning

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In fact as we know the IC is only doing things for town reasons, we need to discredit him when he is being stupid. As we know this guy isn't doing it cos he is scum.

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Lol no stupid cos he was saying we should lynch based on experience

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You need to realise conf town =/= right or this game would be over in seconds

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I'm a dog I love going in circles.
But I don't care if he dies if he is going to try and lynch on weird reasons. That won't help is if it goes to lylo

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Lol having someone with that logic is scum heaven in Lylo

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plus really bubba you still haven't given scum motivation for attacking an IC

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Your answer wasn't really scum motivation. It was to this game.

I want scum motivation in general as to attacking an IC. ignore me and jason. Give me scum motivation to start attacking an IC

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You still haven't given me scum motivation for attacking the IC.

The IC will never get lynched even if scum suggested it. So give me the scum motivation for it

And wanting the IC dead isn't an answer. Because while they may want him dead they would do it by killing the IC them selves. Not drawing attention and trying to get the IC lynched.

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There's actually a few set ups random lynchig works. This is nt one of them. Plus truely lunching randomly is impossible due to scum influence. Although with an IC it helps but yer randomly lynching isn't a good idea in this set up

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what do you disagree with?

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I seriously doubt bubba isn't scum or all the scum aren't on this wagon. I can't see scum not hammering this cos they wouldn't even come under scrutiny

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also for one last time I wasn't go for a PL. I want one in fact cos of stupidity, but I wouldn't go for one cos it would be stupid. almost as stupid as yourself. I'm supposed to be playing the VI yet you and j smith won't let me

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oh and bubba the fact that only you agree with what you say on the IC point and what it means tells you something (hint its not just cos they are scum disagreeing as more than 3 people disagree with you)

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what is your reason? scared of the attention the hammer brings?

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you don't have to use all your time. pretty obvious we are circling anyway so poor excuse scum

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Oh fuck.

Hey NS <3

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I really hope fuzzy and Jason are town. I don't know what ill do if they are scum

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No ill be too busy crying in the corner feeling betrayed and abused

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Probably. Duck duck goose to find out?

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Duck

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Fuzzy lost is scum

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Saki you can't read anyone.

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Love you fuzzy!

Any way this game has stalled, can one of you read bubba realise he is scum and hammer so we can come back fresh tomorrow k thx

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Saki you can't read anyone.

I can read certain people.

I doubt it

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Oh well yer saki can you do it then

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I'm going to claim as its twilight. I'm the IC

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Reckon the traitor got hit last night

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So you don't think the traitor got hit?

I would personally pick 3 too. But the last game they went for 0 and it worked. Scum could have looked back and followed.

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Why would it be more likely the traitor got hit then a Roleblocker? (i don't believe it would)

Didn't say more likely. I beleive it is jsut as likely though. I don't think any roleblocker should claim either

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Saki

Are you scum

No.

Can we lynch mutley?

Mutley do you promise not to quickwagon me?

I promise you my heart

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Also actually it is probably more likely that the traitor got hit if you think about the set up

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If that happens one more time I'm blacklisting you.

on going game we will discuss it after its finished!

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Well say mafia do what the original game does that means 2 PRs. and a traitor as set up.

We have an IC. so that leaves 1 other PR. from a option of 5. So 1/5 chance role blocker is in.

But guranteed traitor is in. So yer more likely really.

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Yes but still. Thats a start.

Then if you take 1 extra etc. I still think its jsut as likely if not more likely for it to have happened.

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What do you mean by that?

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Maybe scum thought the traitor was doing that to hide a PR

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Sak why you no kill Tammy!!

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so now if no roleblocker comes out, the mafia kow for sure they hit their traitor and that three isn't a roleblocker.

I don't think a claim should happen

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OK I am the roleblocker and I blocked the IC.......................

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VOTE: fuzzy

why did you not vote him?

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Mutt why did you avoid my question

Also why didn't you BG Nacho

cos i saved it for sak!

you mean the whee am i?

cos I don't ever know where I am

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Also why didn't you BG Nacho

He was too busy saving the traitor from the vigilante.

Also ontopic:
VOTE: fuzz

I would have been had you been able to hit scum!

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Agree totally with Jason not a whole lot more to happen.

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Ahhh so scum at least got 1 extra power!

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So they didnt go the route of the last game

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Happy Birthday JASON

CAPS POSTING COS I AM TOWN

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How does you going no where prove you are not scum Jason?

Fuxzy did the kill due to the roleblock on him so means you could be the goon or traitor

Elle - why you so sure there is no traitor?

If I am scum and pick powers I dont recruit the goon why? Cos he is a bullet proof guy. Take the sttrong man etc and really strengthen yourself.

MY suspicions lie with you two. I'm leaing more elle. Cos of jasons interactions with the original IC being like mine. Fuzzy kind of joined in but not with the conviction jason did.

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That says the mafia traitor is ineligible for upgrades as in he has to be reccruited to become ninja. They could upgrade themselves 3 times and leave the traitor as is.

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Ahh so we have one goon thats dead therefore fuzzy was the traitor

2 others then.

Or you are lying

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Oh and day talk prob comes in there too.

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fuzzy was the orignal traitor

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They could have chose day talk and PR. we have no reason to beleive your claim right now

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Wow this is an awful lylo team

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Please give me your experiences with them. To say that

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yay lets vote well early.

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I hope to god you are scum

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and you vote while going on v/LA in lylo. Yer if you arent scum this is the stupidest thing you can possibly do

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you also ask thoughts of someone while putting down a vote that if you are town would lose you the game.

Whats the point of asking their votes if you are willing for a lynch

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p sure this is town ns/Sakura
hands up in the air, mutley

also if you are sure on those two that means you think elle is scum yes?

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In fact I actually think that is an admission of guilt from saki, the thing thats stopping me thinking elle is scum is I cant see scum going for 2 of the powers.

Seems saki forgot about the PR claim which he hasn't never questioned, yet calls 2 other town

VOTE: saki

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Less than usual

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Don't vote yet lucky.

What do you think about my vote on saki?

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Because you are voting me based on PoE onll it seemed from your post. You do realise this is lylo my flip will make you lose won't help you find others out.

I'm doing it for actual reasons look at sakis post. It's basically an admission of guilt

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Lucky can we get a spectrum?

This post code for say your spectrum and then we both quick hammer?

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UNVOTE:

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Doesn't mean you are safe right yet. Trying to figure out if its a QH attempt

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The fact its taken this long for anyone to put a vote down makes me pretty sure its you and elle btw. I am just being safe here

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The fact everyone has spoken I havent been quick hammered. Means it is likely you and elle are scum. I just have to make sure its not elle and lucky now

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she claimed goon cop. A very easy fake claim

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No I do not. Especially now. I had sort of convinced my self that mafia would go all 3. However they could go 2. So they get a fake claim chance that wouldn't be CC. The fact I am not hammered and you NS and saki have all been around, lead me to believe that it is a fake claim, especially with how quickly the vote got put down. I think it was a case of put the vote down and make it a 1 vs 1 as no hammer will happen, as it's pretty much prob me or Elle for today's lynch now. As she is unCC (as they prob only chose 2 powers) she prob assumes it was an easy win.

No I've got to figure out which one of lucky and saki is scum. Note I am leaning heavy saki

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No idea my friend no idea. PoE. You are 100% but the way things have gone, you don't make sense for many partners yet, well except Elle.

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Actually you two could have hammered saki.

Or actually the lack of hammers could indicate a traitor?

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Not really because we have one goon down. And at least 2 powers chosen. So very unlikely the other 2 are goons. Either you aren't lying and prob both roles. Or one role and one traitor.

Claiming goon would have got you found out

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Actually you two could have hammered saki.

Or actually the lack of hammers could indicate a traitor?

The fact that none of the players have teamed up and one two hammered Saki means either Saki or I am scum.

True or one of me and Elle.

However we are forgetting possibility of traitors making it harder to team up

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Basically saki has never questioned your claim of good cop. However he was calling NS and Sakura town. Therefore implying you were scum (but he hasn't questioned the truth in your claim) therefore meaning he was calling me and him the scum team

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If Elle is telling the truth. That means its impossible to have a traitor. Which means the lack of quick hammer is down to her being scum.

I believe saki to be scum but there's no way Elle is telling the truth

VOTE: Elle

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Right we had a goon flip.

We have had 4 PR flips. Which guarantees that there is at least 2 improvements to the scum team.

Elle has claimed goon cop. There fore claiming that scum have 3 extra powers.

There is not an out come where you can have a confirmed goon 5 PRs and a traitor.

Therefore the lack of hammer is not down to a traitor and the communication.

Therefore it is one of me and Elle from everyone else's perspective, and therefore to me Elle is confirmed scum.

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Saki hasn't questioned much of anything all game - idk, I read that post as him saying that you and I were scum, not you and him.

But he's not saying you are lying. Therefore he's calling you town too. Therefore give 4 people town passes as such.

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I need to read how Elle claimed

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So Elle your claim came under no pressure for you to claim and after when all 4 other PRs were out. Scum choosing 2 extra powers would know that they can get an unCC role claim at this point , due to their knowledge of how many they claimed. It's a pretty good scum strategy because of they go all out 3 they can't fake claim a PR as it would eventually get found out. However choosing 2 allows them to get an unCC PR or a chance at it.

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What are you talking about? I'm the one that said ages ago that there was no way scum could have a traitor. You're the one that fought me on it.

Wouldn't say fought it but more questioned.

You obviously knew all the answers pretty well at that stage. Especially for a relatively new set up why?

Cos you are scum and knew the information

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Well it's the same as me saying one of me and Elle are scum. It's based on the fact there could have been a hammer or attempts at a hammer.

If you are sure I am town now. What reasons are there for both me and Elle town, I can't see any but if there are some might make me feel better and I can unvote and evaluate somemore

Pedit fuckers

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Day talk and traitor recruitment I'm guessing

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Well played. Surprised you didn't quick hammer saki earlier

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Well played. Surprised you didn't quick hammer saki earlier

I would have been interested in your explanation to me and Elle town cos I would have got you there

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No I havent

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Lol. Bad times

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I was just about to go off on you aswell as a partner. And I called the only partner that makes sense was elle

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Fuck sake I called Elle day 3 aswell

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This is the second time I've figured out the set up and then it's too late

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Town Mut is OP as fuck

elle care to reveal which things were picked?

I'm OP?

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How am I OP?

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This game is going to be my go to self meta game now. For when people say I don't do analysis as town. I always do my stay quiet keep stuff to myself until I figure it out. Otherwise I confuse myself

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GOod game again guys. Great strategy. I'm really liking this set up that's two scum wins with different strategies. It really sets up a lot of strategy. However I think scum choosing 3 roles is actually bad for them. 0-2 puts in there favour. Especially 2 as it let you fake claim

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I finally have a game with you as scum that I'm in

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How do you blame me I figured it out.

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mutt what do you think I am

Prob a goon or BP

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No?

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Lol yer that was mara.

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Tip here for many. When I early vote goes down in 5P lylo and the person in question doesn't OMGus they are most likely town.

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So what were your roles?

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Did you choose 2 for the whole fake claim thing? And I suppose the role cop would help you fake claim if you got to L-1

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Up to you guys when you wanna do it

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Thanks for the game Tammy!!

Yes I figured it out just too late again.

It's ok Sak had you been here too could have just sheeped me