Open 520: Stacking the Deck Part II - Game Over...Mafia Win!

[TheGreatOne]

I did not. I didn't start this wagon either, I just joined it.

Why was this necessary?
VOTE: Bubbajack

Why have you completely ignored me?

You still haven't replied to me at all.

[Mutleyddmc]

Just caught up. Bubba flail more please

VOTE: bubba jack

L-1 I think

[Faraday]

Vote Count 1.05

Bubbajack8 (6) - JasonWazza, Sakura Hana, fuzzybutternut, elleheathen, anorway, Muttleyddmc

JasonWazza (1) - jsmith1234
awestfie (1) - qwertyuiop
TheGreatOne (1) - SoundsofMusic
anorway (1) - bubbajack8

Not Voting (2) - awestfie, TheGreatOne

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, August 21, 2013, at 2:00 AM CDT (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2013-08-21 02:00:00).

Prodding qwertyuiop

[SoundsofMusic]

Jason, while I find alot of the things he's doing anti-town (the stuff you are calling him out on), I can't really find any scum intent in any of his posts.

He's flailing, but not because he's scum but because he doesn't know how to handle the pressure that everyone is giving him, He's pretty much been the center of attention all game, and no one is really trying to get him out of it which bothers me quite a bit.

It sounds like he's trying to hard, but maybe it's because he is?

It's already apparent that he in a " I'll be dammed no matter what I say" kind of mindset currently though how he's handling it is townish in that, he isn't really to overly defensive. He isn't an experienced scum-player so he would be in hyper-panic mode at this point and I'm not really feeling it.

[SoundsofMusic]

@Sakura: I'm not Jester -_- I just don't give a F about being lynched, because ultimately it will help town when they realize I am town.

This is really, really town and it is also something I would personally say as town and have trouble faking as scum

[SoundsofMusic]

TGO and Sakura are my top two scum reads

[bubbajack8]

@Sounds: how do you feel about Mutley putting me at L-1 with no reasoning?

@Mutley: Why did you put me at L-1?

[jsmith1234]

UNVOTE: JasonWazza
VOTE: Mutleyddmc

I assumed all this pressure on bubba was a reaction test (which I'm starting to think it isn't), and even if it is , it's run its course imo.

I think Jason is off with his read, and even though I'd like to get rid of him, it doesn't seem other people are on board, so I'll go for someone else I'd like to get rid of based on his posts so far (and his latest vote).

[Mutleyddmc]

@Sounds: how do you feel about Mutley putting me at L-1 with no reasoning?

@Mutley: Why did you put me at L-1?

cos you flailed like a little scum butt

[Mutleyddmc]

although I kind of like SoM points so for now

UNVOTE:

[JasonWazza]

I think Jason is off with his read, and even though I'd like to get rid of him, it doesn't seem other people are on board, so I'll go for someone else I'd like to get rid of based on his posts so far (and his latest vote).

Maybe, just maybe, people will sheep you if you have a better reason then "HIS EXPERIENCED AND MUST BE THE MAFIA BURN HIM!!!!!!!!!!!"

Jason, while I find alot of the things he's doing anti-town (the stuff you are calling him out on), I can't really find any scum intent in any of his posts.

He's flailing, but not because he's scum but because he doesn't know how to handle the pressure that everyone is giving him, He's pretty much been the center of attention all game, and no one is really trying to get him out of it which bothers me quite a bit.

It sounds like he's trying to hard, but maybe it's because he is?

It's already apparent that he in a " I'll be dammed no matter what I say" kind of mindset currently though how he's handling it is townish in that, he isn't really to overly defensive. He isn't an experienced scum-player so he would be in hyper-panic mode at this point and I'm not really feeling it.

"I find what he is doing anti-town, but that doesn't make him scum!!!!!"

"He's Flailing, but it's because he doesn't know what else to do!!!!"

"He's already in a mindset where he is fucked regardless"

This is you paraphrased, NONE OF THESE MAKE HIM TOWN.

@Sakura: I'm not Jester -_- I just don't give a F about being lynched, because ultimately it will help town when they realize I am town.

This is really, really town and it is also something I would personally say as town and have trouble faking as scum

No, No, No, NO.

WHY CAN'T SCUM SAY THIS?

If you take this as a town tell, then the ultimate town thing to do is just scream "LYNCH ME LYNCH ME!" and thus scum have the easiest fucking game EVER

I assumed all this pressure on bubba was a reaction test (which I'm starting to think it isn't), and even if it is , it's run its course imo.

IF IT WAS A REACTION TEST, HE FAILED AND SHOULD BE LYNCHED CAUSE HIS GRADING IS SCUM

[jsmith1234]

He didn't "fail" imo Jason. If that was a reaction test, and you consider that failing, then the people on this site are better than I expected. Certainly possible, but I'm skeptical.

And I've played long enough to know that people don't like my reasoning for early lynches lol, so I'm not going to try to convince town that we should lynch you/Mutley because of non-scummy reasons (though Mutley's behavior could be somewhat construed as scummy), even though I think it's proper play.

[JasonWazza]

You are the worst Innocent Child ever, but thank god you are or i would lynch the fucking shit out of you.

Also, "playing better" and "playing townie" are 2 different things.

[jsmith1234]

Not going to argue this with you. If you want to convince others that you're right, using ad hominem, caps lock, AtEs and overly aggressive behavior isn't an optimal way of doing so. But I know I'm not going to change your mind, so feel free to ignore the remainder of my apparently awful posts. I'll stop responding to you for now in any case.

Still think bubba's reaction leans more town over mafia. If he were a newer player, it would definitely lean town and SoM's points would be applicable. The only concern is that if bubba has been in this situation before or has witnessed it enough to know how to react in a townie fashion (which he really did imo). SoM seems to suggest he hasn't had that type of experience before, but just in case, when I have more time, I'll try to confirm this for myself.

[Mutleyddmc]

What you want to lynch me and jason for non scummy reasons?

[jsmith1234]

Pretty much, though with you there *might* be some scuminess going on.

[JasonWazza]

He's wanting to lynch people based on experience, experience isn't what randomness chooses.

[Mutleyddmc]

Can we lynch the IC please just for stupidness?

Is it experience alone? Surely at least a when Mutley and Jason are scum they can be very deceptive or something?

[jsmith1234]

The ad hominem isn't helping.

[Mutleyddmc]

That's the worst scum tell ever.

[jsmith1234]

It's anti-town, not scummy. Considering historical data on this site shows town lynches scum on D1 in Open Games about 25-29% of the time, versus an average random chance of 25%, I think it's more optimal to lynch D1 with a long-term strategy in mind by taking out anti-town players or making the pool of remaining candidates easier to read. A 0-4% increased likelihood of lynching scum through "scumhunting" on a day where there really should be nothing to go off of is not as beneficial imo as removing players who will make this game harder going forward.

[Mutleyddmc]

Pfft if you weren't the IC you'd be lynched by now. You are the most anti town here. I'm going to ignore you from now on and focus elsewhere.

[JasonWazza]

You are the worst Innocent Child ever, but thank god you are or i would lynch the fucking shit out of you.

Hence why i said this Mutley.

If any doc or BG protects the IC i will be a little annoyed, he is someone we can easily do without.

P-Edit: Seriously? I'm going to beat you down if you continue that, a lynch based on experience contain's no info, a lynch based on scumminess does.

[jsmith1234]

I guess that would prove my point, since that would mean a townie would have been lynched. But yes I agree, if you're going to maintain that mindset, it's better if we avoid speaking to each other for now. My vote remains in the meantime.

[Mutleyddmc]

You are the worst Innocent Child ever, but thank god you are or i would lynch the fucking shit out of you.

Hence why i said this Mutley.

If any doc or BG protects the IC i will be a little annoyed, he is someone we can easily do without.

P-Edit: Seriously? I'm going to beat you down if you continue that, a lynch based on experience contain's no info, a lynch based on scumminess does.

Yer just cos he is confirmed town doesn't make someone worth saving. In lylo yes we won't vote him but he is just as likely to lead mislynches as scum is