Micro 214 -- Chosen Mafia (Game Over)

[runnerman]

choo choo all aboard!

[RedCoyote]

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• runnerman

  (3) (
  Narrow
  - Alexcellent - Amrun - Narrow)[/size]
  
  
  Alexcellent
  (2) (

  Amrun

  - JKMatthews - hohum)
  
  
  OhGodMLife
  (1) (F-16_Fighting_Falcon -

  JKMatthews

  -

  Narrow

  )
  
  
  F-16_Fighting_Falcon
  (1) (runnerman)
  
  
  JKMatthews

  (0) (

  Alexcellent

  )
  
  
  Narrow

  (0) (

  runnerman

  )
  
  
  hohum

  (0) (

  Amrun

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (2) (

  F-16_Fighting_Falcon

  -

  JKMatthews

  -

  runnerman

  -

  hohum

  - Gofarman -

  Narrow

  -

  Alexcellent

  - OhGodMyLife -

  Amrun

  )

With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
Current Deadline:

(expired on 2013-08-26 11:17:00)

[JKMatthews]

So with 2 players having not posted yet I'm hesitant to vote runnerman, but yeah I'd be happy for my vote to be there otherwise...

[Alexcellent]

So non-commital...

[JKMatthews]

Oh hey, my primary scum read is implying I should move my vote onto someone and put them at L-1 with a big chance of early hammer! What to do...

[runnerman]

Oh hey, my primary scum read is implying I should move my vote onto someone and put them at L-1 with a big chance of early hammer! What to do...

An actual villager wouldn't be so lax in his opinion. What villager would need to think about this? ^

My wagon formed so fast and enthousiastically, it has to have attracted scum. I think we got one here.

[JKMatthews]

What exactly about my opinion that Alex is scum trying to mislead me onto your wagon is lax?

[Alexcellent]

Oh hey, my primary scum read is implying I should move my vote onto someone and put them at L-1 with a big chance of early hammer! What to do...

I would understand this mindset more if we were in a newbie game. It’s a small chance at best, and if someone quickhammers and runnerman flips town then we’ll probably know who the scum is.

[Narrow]

Oh hey, my primary scum read is implying I should move my vote onto someone and put them at L-1 with a big chance of early hammer! What to do...

An actual villager wouldn't be so lax in his opinion. What villager would need to think about this? ^

My wagon formed so fast and enthousiastically, it has to have attracted scum. I think we got one here.

Oh hey, my primary scum read is implying I should move my vote onto someone and put them at L-1 with a big chance of early hammer! What to do...

I would understand this mindset more if we were in a newbie game. It’s a small chance at best, and if someone quickhammers and runnerman flips town then we’ll probably know who the scum is.

[Narrow]

That wasn't supposed to happen.

runnerman, an actual villager wouldn't be so lax about the formation of his wagon. For instance, yours. It wasn't as though your wagon formed without a reason, yet you ignored the reasons people gave as they ignored you, and you're

still

on what is apparently an RVS vote.

Alexcellent, you're gambling a whole lot on this "probably" qualifier.

[Amrun]

Runnerman, what is your mafia experience?

[runnerman]

I have played for many years on a poker forum with the same core group of people (and some newcomers while others leave, the usual). I am known as one of the stronger players and my playstyle I mostly based on people reads rather than the way it is played on mafiascum here, which I would describe more as looking for behavioral patterns. It's a bit weird to get used to how everyone plays here but I'm learning.

[runnerman]

runnerman, an actual villager wouldn't be so lax about the formation of his wagon. For instance, yours. It wasn't as though your wagon formed without a reason, yet you ignored the reasons people gave as they ignored you, and you're

still

on what is apparently an RVS vote.

Are you joking or something? What reasons did people give? I didn't see anything. From my pov it seemed ridiculous and I felt like, whatever, I'm a villager so if you want to waste a lynch on me go ahead.

Also what is RVS? And V/LA I keep seeing mentioned?

[runnerman]

Also

UNVOTE:

VOTE: JKMatthews

He looks like a wolf to me. Or as you guys say here, scum.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Because he is only made one post and the first day we need to hear from everyone? MAfia 101?

Amrun conveniently wagoning is noted.

I don't follow the logic here. Can you elaborate?

[Amrun]

Falcon, answer my question to you?

Runnerman, what do you mean by "looking for people reads?"

[Narrow]

Are you joking or something? What reasons did people give? I didn't see anything. From my pov it seemed ridiculous and I felt like, whatever, I'm a villager so if you want to waste a lynch on me go ahead.

Also what is RVS? And V/LA I keep seeing mentioned?

RVS is "random voting stage." That's a misnomer, but it's a phase in the early game where people throw out votes, for silly reasons or otherwise, as an icebreaker. V/LA is "vacation/limited access"; if one expects to be away from the game for 48 hours or more, one can say that one is V/LA until whatever day and one's absence would be noted.

I thought Amrun had attached a reason, and apparently she didn't. Welp. I gave one, though, and you didn't answer it -- you'd accused Amrun of "conveniently wagoning" in post 47, but you hadn't batted an eye when I did the same thing to OhGodMyLife in post 11.

[runnerman]

Because he is only made one post and the first day we need to hear from everyone? MAfia 101?

Amrun conveniently wagoning is noted.

I don't follow the logic here. Can you elaborate?

Mafia 101, I mean that we just need to get everyone involved in the conversation so I vote for people that have been silent. My point of view on this is the same as in the reply below:

Falcon, answer my question to you?

Runnerman, what do you mean by "looking for people reads?"

If everyone posts their thinking very openly like I am trying to do now then it will become harder for scum to keep up their deception.

Are you joking or something? What reasons did people give? I didn't see anything. From my pov it seemed ridiculous and I felt like, whatever, I'm a villager so if you want to waste a lynch on me go ahead.

Also what is RVS? And V/LA I keep seeing mentioned?

RVS is "random voting stage." That's a misnomer, but it's a phase in the early game where people throw out votes, for silly reasons or otherwise, as an icebreaker. V/LA is "vacation/limited access"; if one expects to be away from the game for 48 hours or more, one can say that one is V/LA until whatever day and one's absence would be noted.

I thought Amrun had attached a reason, and apparently she didn't. Welp. I gave one, though, and you didn't answer it -- you'd accused Amrun of "conveniently wagoning" in post 47, but you hadn't batted an eye when I did the same thing to OhGodMyLife in post 11.

Thanks.

[JKMatthews]

Also

UNVOTE:

VOTE: JKMatthews

He looks like a wolf to me. Or as you guys say here, scum.

Chaiiiinssawwwww.
Alex and runnerman are scum. GGs?

What exactly about me looks lupine? You say people should be open with their thinking so scum can't keep up deception, but the reason you give for your vote is that I look scummy...?

[Alexcellent]

Also

UNVOTE:

VOTE: JKMatthews

He looks like a wolf to me. Or as you guys say here, scum.

Chaiiiinssawwwww.
Alex and runnerman are scum. GGs?

Terrible, just terrible. Grasp for even more straws.

@Runnerman - Why the vote on JKMatthews?

[JKMatthews]

Convenient that you didn't actually quote my whole post that explains why I'm reading it as chainsaw.
Combine runnerman saying everyone should be open with runnerman voting me without giving a reason and it seems like a semi-reasonable call to make. Explain to me how it's grasping at straws? I mean my fake cocky bullshit might be annoying, but how is the argument terrible?

[Amrun]

Runnerman, you mean everyone should be open like you and say "I think this guy looks like scum?" Wow, what a fascinating thought process...


Also if we could stop using chainsaw incorrectly, that would be great.

[Alexcellent]

Is not quoting an entire post by someone a scumtell now? I didn’t edit or alter your post in anyway, I just referenced one part of it. The fact that you even consider that to be a scumtell doesn't seem like you at all...
Could you explain in what way that it is a chainsaw defense? He did absolutely no defending except for throwing a vote at you because you apparently resemble a wolf – and he did it after I and other people started voting him. In what possible way is he defending me? The topic was on him, not you or me. He perhaps shifted his vote to you to throw heat off of him and side-track town (which is apparently working). If anything it’s more likely that the scum team is you and Runnerman.
He makes a god awful post along the lines of “Alex is scummy but I’m going to throw a random vote on Falcon for terrible reasons.” You make some post about being happy to vote for Runnerman if two other people hadn’t shown up yet. He’s now voting you for even worse reasons than his Falcon vote and you’re still throwing heat my way with this flimsy “chainsaw” defense accusation.

[JKMatthews]

I'm attacking Alex, so runnerman (his buddy) attacks me. Isn't that chainsaw? (genuine question, my definition could be off)

The reason it's a scumtell is because you said my argument was terrible while not quoting my actual argument.
And I'm throwing heat your way for

still not scumhunting

and being completely passive in your arguments, while trying to offhandedly dismiss everything I say by saying "terrible" or "you made some post" as though I don't have a solid argument.

You make some post about being happy to vote for Runnerman if two other people hadn’t shown up yet.

Are you saying it's not entirely valid to be concerned about a potential mislynch by one of the players who still isn't present?
Theory: scum are totally happy for this wagon to happen on runnerman because he's chosen. One comes in and "accidentally" lynches him, somehow squirms out of it day 2. I don't want that to happen. Trying to wave that off as invalid, or worse twist it as a scum tell, is mental.

[Alexcellent]

My interactions with you I consider to be scumhunting, as I believe there’s a good chance you’re scum.
My vote and questions to Runnerman are scumhunting. Haven’t interacted with many others yet, but I’ll be able to post more after Friday as I’ll have a lot more time on my hands.

The logic of not wanting to put Runnerman at L-1 without two people being present is admittedly sound. And I usually follow that logic myself. But there’s something about your post that rubs me the wrong way that I don’t quite like though, and I’m not sure what it is. It might be the way that you sat back and agreed with everyone without taking action or questioning Runnerman at all. Maybe I’m tunnelling you without reason, but your play so far has come across as different.

If that’s a “chainsaw defense,” then it’s perhaps the weakest and worst excuse for one in the history of chainsaws and saw related power tools.

I’ll post more a little later in the day and address more points, but the woman that sits behind me keeps on glancing at my screen and sooner or later I’m afraid she’ll realise MafiaScum.net isn’t part of company software.