Open 520: Stacking the Deck Part II - Game Over...Mafia Win!

[Maestro]

except for SoM, who could be a Traitor or he could've just had a bad End of Day 2

[TheGreatOne]

I'm the Tracker

TGO you fuck

I was obviously a PR

Can you give your actions then?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm not the mod but from how Stacking the Deck works, Daychat and recruiting the traitor count as powers that will give the town a PR too @Maestro.

Town has 2 + X PRs where X is the ammount of powers the scum took (max 3)

[Maestro]

yes, I understand that now - it's noted that my general feelings about you attempting to contribute while not really doing anything still stand

SoM: claim your actions of I will outright lol at your Scumclaim

[JasonWazza]

He would have outted his actions already had he done something, it is a scum claim LYNCH IT

[Tammy]

@Tammy: the phrases "the Mafia may elect to receive up to three" and "for each additional power the Mafia choose" have confused me. Does this mean that for every power the Mafia chose AT ALL, the Town received 1 extra power, or for every power the Mafia chose past 3?

Town starts off with two power roles chosen randomly from the list in the third post. Mafia may choose to take up to three powers from the list in the third post. For every power they choose, town is given an additional power.

[Tammy]

Vote Count 3.02

soundsofmusic (2) - saki, elleheathen

Sakura Hana (1) - soundsofmusic

Not Voting (6) - JasonWazza, Maestro, Mutleyddmc, notscience, Sakura Hana, TheGreatOne

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, August 29, 2013, at 4:25 PM CDT (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2013-09-05 15:32:02).

[notscience]

I get that feeling too @Maestro.

[Maestro]

I know elle's V/LA till tomorrow so I'll wait but other ppl should talk

[notscience]

Mut what are you thinking

[TheGreatOne]

other ppl should talk

Yeah, I'm just waiting for SoM to get here and answer me.

[Maestro]

lol Tammy

[Tammy]

Vote Count 3.03

soundsofmusic (2) - saki, elleheathen

Sakura Hana (1) - soundsofmusic

Not Voting (6) - JasonWazza, Maestro, Mutleyddmc, notscience, Sakura Hana, TheGreatOne

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, September 5th, 2013, at 2:30 PM CDT (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2013-09-05 15:32:02).

~prodding saki and mutleyddmc~

~I was hoping no one caught that :p ~

[Maestro]

heh

[Saki]

UNVOTE:

[Maestro]

little late there

[elleheathen]

Catching up on what I missed - will post shortly!

[elleheathen]

Well, that didn't really work as I had hoped.

I knew by her softclaims that SoM was either going to try to claim tracker or cop. I figured by putting her on the spot, she'd have a 50/50 shot of choosing right. Either she really is the tracker or she just fakeclaimed the right one -

because I'm the goon cop

. It's another reason (combined with those in 589) why I find her early softclaim without any pressure or reason so odd - because I had the exact opposite approach with a similar role.

@SoM - I know I didn't ask any questions in it but I'd like to hear what you think on my post 589 - your reasoning, maybe? As well as your night actions.
I think there's only one thing that can be said that's going to change my thoughts on her being scum but I don't want to hand it to her on a platter so I'm waiting for the above answers - and why my vote is staying where it is. That, and because I really just don't have anything else to go on - which is essentially why my night actions were as follows.

Night 1: Mutley
Night 2: Jason

With the three of us being the biggest opposition on bubba's flip, I figured one of them had to be scum. Mutley was first because I couldn't read him for crap and after meta'ing him, I don't think in

any

game I'd ever be able to tell what alignment he is. Jason, I figured I could wait a night on if I survived because of the two, I felt like I might get some kind of read or slip or information from him as opposed to Mutley - and both to no avail because they both came back as not goons.

Which brings me to:

IF all of the claims are legit, it means the mafia took 3 powers, which gives us 5. If that's the case, one of those powers

has

to be recruiting the traitor because fuzzy flipped just a regular goon. I think it's still plausible even if SoM's claim is fake (which would give us 2/4 ratio) but still a lot of

ifs

that I don't like.
Still, that could put awestfie's (now Saki) 'noobslip' back on the table as possible town - since the only way that it couldn't have been a noobslip was if it was either completely fabricated or if he was the mafia traitor.

Speaking of noobslips, there was another that again, if it wasn't completely fabricated makes me think 'town'. This:

Doesn't scum know the traitor?

I think TGO's claim is legit - because I have a hard time believing that as early as day 2, he would mastermind some huge plot by

risking

no killing on night one, only to

risk

an RB claim and then on top of that

risk

killing off one of his own scums just to get towncred. If we were closer to endgame, maybe, but that just seems like a lot of unneccesary risks so early.

Plus, qwerty's death as our bodyguard makes me think that he was guarding TGO due to the RB claim and died protecting him. But then, I also think that the joat role is the most likely one the mafia would pick, and if that were the case, that would be the situation I'd use it in to kill TGO if I were scum.

Unless

the mafia role cop was the other role they chose and they knew after the first night what he was and killed qwerty directly to prevent him from guarding so they could use the strongman ability the following night on TGO?

Fuck, idk.

The short of this is that:

Town: Maestro (obv), Mutley, Jason, TGO
Leaning Town: Saki, notscience (and very lightly, at that - and only because of those possible 'slips'.)
Null: Sakura Hana
Scum: SoM

[JasonWazza]

Well, that didn't really work as I had hoped.

I knew by her softclaims that SoM was either going to try to claim tracker or cop. I figured by putting her on the spot, she'd have a 50/50 shot of choosing right. Either she really is the tracker or she just fakeclaimed the right one -

because I'm the goon cop

. It's another reason (combined with those in 589) why I find her early softclaim without any pressure or reason so odd - because I had the exact opposite approach with a similar role.

@SoM - I know I didn't ask any questions in it but I'd like to hear what you think on my post 589 - your reasoning, maybe? As well as your night actions.
I think there's only one thing that can be said that's going to change my thoughts on her being scum but I don't want to hand it to her on a platter so I'm waiting for the above answers - and why my vote is staying where it is. That, and because I really just don't have anything else to go on - which is essentially why my night actions were as follows.

Night 1: Mutley
Night 2: Jason

Just something to throw out there.

It's possible for the Goon Cop to investigate everyone and never get a positive.

So my thought is this, Roleblocker, Goon Cop, and IC is the PR's.

[elleheathen]

It's possible for the Goon Cop to investigate everyone and never get a positive.

waitwut?
Are you saying that if the scums took PR's, thereby taking themselves from roles of mafia goons to say mafia joat or w/e, that my results on them as not goons is useless because they could be mafia but they're just not regular goons?

@mod: clarification?

Damntheman. If this is true, I'm going to go cry in my corner in the road to rome - and never leave it. The first time I actually feel like I can put people as for sure town and...

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry but it is true, it only gives positive on the role mafia goon, if mafia got a PR you wont get a positive.

[Sakura Hana]

On the plus side tho, if they recruited the traitor they have at least 1 goon, because they can only pick 3 powers, so they could get at most 2 PRs instead of goons, but the traitor would have become a mafia goon hence you'd get a positive on him.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah but you can pick 3 powers but still keep the goon cop useless, and recruit traitor isn't necessarily a good power.

You can also make the vigilante and the tracker and the roleblocker/bodyguard useless in certain ways given what you pick.

(My) Optimal picks:
Change a goon to bulletproof
Change a goon to jack-of-all-trades (1-shot ninja and 1-shot strongman)
Enable Day talk for the mafia team

Bulletproof, makes Vig worthless against 1/3 of the scum team.
JoAT makes tracker/bodyguard/roleblocker useless in some situations.
Goon cop is worthless as there is no goon.
Day talk is just for lols.

But yes, Elle your PR COULD be totally worthless, and given we have a flipped goon, a claimed roleblocker, IC and Goon cop, it is likely at this point you are useless.

[elleheathen]

I was so excited to have a PR... Ty for explaining, though.

[JasonWazza]

You basically have a small chance of being useful (assuming the scum only picked to have a traitor turn into a goon your useful.)