Kingmaker II-Game Over

[Der Hammer]

Am here, I know its been said before but check this space in the next 72 hours. If I have not posted a worthy post then I should be modkilled, head chopped off, replaced or whatever punishment fits.

[Thok]

It looks like Smashy is replacing Dead Rikimaru, and that I don't need any other replacements at this time.

Deadlines will be dealt with once Smashy posts.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Smashy, kill MoS.

You have 2 hours.

[Zindaras]

Smashy, I demand you smash someone.

Who were my suspicions again? I remember saying voidybuns was scum.

So we should probably kill her.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I wish you would kill yourself, Smashy. Alas, that probably won't happen.

[Smashy]

Nope. Sorry Mos. Anyways, I'm going to go through the last 10 pages to see where everyone stands right now. If anyone would like to repost cases against anyone during this time, be my guest.

[Thok]

OK. There is a nonretractable deadline set for March 12; if somebody has not been executed by that date then King Smashy will be killed for incompetence.

VOTE COUNT

*King Smashy*

Cogito Ergo Sum (2): Mnowax
Der Hammer (2):
DragonsofSummer (4): Mnowax, MOS, LuckayLuck
Fritzler (1): Toaster Streudel
Glork (1): MOS, Fritzler, Der Hammer, LuckayLuck
KaleiÐoscøpe (0): pablito
Lowell (0): spectrumvoid, Mnowax
LuckayLuck (6): spectrumvoid, Yosarian2
Mastermind of Sin (6):
Mnowax (3): MOS
Olio (1): pablito, LuckayLuck, Toaster Streudel, Yosarian2
pablito (2): LuckayLuck, olio, petroleumjelly, RafK, MOS
petroleumjelly (1): Spectrumvoid, DragonsofSummer, Der Hammer, LuckayLuck
RafK (2): spectrumvoid, Yosarian2, Cogito Ergo Sum
Shanba (0): MOS, SpectrumVoid, RafK
spectrumvoid (5): Glork
Toaster Streudel (2): DragonsofSummer, LuckayLuck
Yosarian2 (4): DragonsofSummer, Cogito Ergo Sum, MOS
Zindaras (0): Yosarian2, DragonsofSummer

[Smashy]

Ok, I'll be checking over the entire cases for LL and MoS, but from what I've read the gist of the SV case is that she defended Pookyscum?

[Yosarian2]

Smashy, I'd suggest that you put up a "list of execution" and try to get comments before you execute. At least that way we'll have something to go on tommorow.

[petroleumjelly]

Ooh, replacement. An LoE sounds like a good idea.

[Mastermind of Sin]

And now for the fun to begin. I'm going to post an analysis of each player, and I'll hopefully get through a third of the game today. If anything, my summary of their actions should give you some good reference to work with. I would suggest directing replacements to these posts in the future.

CrashTestDummie:
Day 1 -
- Votes Glork for wanting the King dead Day 1
- Votes Pablito for defending Glork
- Votes bird1111 for "joke voting" Glork and Pablito, then unvoting them later
- Has townie vibes from Glork but is more suspicious of Pablito for not getting on Bird's case enough
Day 2 -
- Confused by pablito's play, unvotes
- wants pressure on ubertimmy, doesn't state reasons
- votes PJ for lynching Rosso on short notice
- votes StallingChamp for a post lost during the crash
- votes Twomz for bandwagon hopping and asking putting Burden of Proof on the victim instead of the attacker
- votes ubertimmy again for lurking
- attacks pablito for giving pj blanket immunity for his actions Day 1
- Agrees with MBL's stance on PJ and Pablito
- Sees no reason to execute Yos or MBL, claims confusion over Pooky and Pablito, and needs to reread Mert. Only StallingChamp should remain on the LoE
- Suspicious of LL's "too many townies" in his initial analysis
- Makes solid (imo) defense against Zindaras's attack on him (thrice)
- Finishes reread of Mert and agrees that he should be on the LoE
- Questions PJ's stance on Mert based on previous games he's player with him
- Doesn't want Yos or Pooky to be executed, prefers StallingChamp and Twomz
- Asserts that he doesn't quite think Yos and Pooky are scum, but that there isn't a case against Yos and that Pooky has been giving off protown vibes
Day 3 -
- No Posts Yet

Result: I am fairly impressed by CrashTextDummie so far. I largely feel protown vibes from him, and the only thing that seems a little off-color was his insistence that Pooky was protown, even given the fact that Pooky largely did nothing besides his one big analysis. Perhaps my timeline is off, however. I would not want to see a CTD execution anytime soon.

Dead Rikimaru:
Day 1 -
- Considers distancing tactic between pablito and Glork
- Claims that he didn't promote a pablito/Glork pairing, just that pablito is trying hard to be paired with pablito, can't think of a protown reason for it
Day 2 -
- votes pablito, no additional reasoning
- No post from Oct 27 until Dec 12, nothing of substance or length until Dec 18
- Doesn't find Yos scummy (good post)
- Claims to be unable to read Pooky, prefers him over Yos
- Amused that the LoE only contains those who have criticized Glork
Day 3 -
- Ask for top 3 suspects from each player
- Doesn't believe in randomly executing lurkers
- Calls for prods on lurkers
- Asks why Glork would bus a scumbuddy early in the game (My answer: Because he knows someone like you would ask yourself this question. Glork has admitted to being willing to bus any and all partners if he thinks it will get him a free pass through the game)
- States there are too many lurkers
- Asks me if my position on Phoebus is the same (I'll get to him eventually)

Result: I'm fairly unimpressed with Dead Rikimaru's play so far. I believe he has contradicted himself Day 1, been generally unhelpful and non-committal Day 2, and has barely offered any of his own insight into the game. His Day 3 actions have been far better than the first two days, but that is to be expected from the pressure of being King. Even so, asking for suspects and collecting reasoning is a good way to pick people to go after without having to dig up your own reasoning (he can use a conglomeration of other person's reasoning to get a protown player lynched), and being concerned with lurkers is something that scum often do to try and look helpful and protown. Everyone is concerned with lurkers, but scum tend to overdo it a bit. I could definitely see Dead Rikimaru as scum right now.

Der Hammer:
Result: Der Hammer has 5 posts, all of which are him saying that he was gonna or is going to post his thoughts soon, but he keeps getting delayed. His most recent post said he would post his thoughts 3 days ago. I could see him as lurking scum, and definitely not useful at the very least. He needs to post substance soon.

Fritzler:
Day 1 -
- Asks pj to kill CTD
- Likes Mert
- Vouches for Pooky
- Wants CTD dead
- Agrees with Glork's CTD vote
- Asks why CTD isn't dead yet
- Votes CTD
- Agrees with Twomz's post that Fritzler is one of the funnier players in the game
- Says that SV confused pj with pooky about keyboard problems
- Asks if we can kill CTD now
- Says "duh" that he's protown, claims everything he says has intrinsic merit, says "duh" that he found something with CTD, fixes Glork's D1 suspicion list to only include CTD
- wants us to check out his sig
- Wants to know why CTD isn't on any of pj's lists for execution possibility
- Calls pj CTD's scumbuddy
Day 2 -
- Wants glork to reread CTD's posts quickly
- Says MBL being scum in the last mountainous game bodes ill for him this game
- Claims to be Pooky's scumbuddy
- Basically calls StallingChamp a hypocrit, for voting Pooky/Fritz/MoS for lack of content
- Calls StallingChamp a rookie that shouldn't speak
- Pointless response to co-mod post
- Asks Glork to kill either CTD or himself (Fritzler)
Day 3 -
- Asks why he isn't king, votes Nightson
- Claims that Yosarian, Spectrumvoid, Kscope are his top 3 suspects
- Says that Nightson shouldn't bother rereading because he's going to die
- Says he'd execute Glork if he was king
- Another pointless response to Mod

Result: What happened to CTD? Fritzler never gave a good reason to suspect him in the first place (And i think CTD has been fairly protown), but after Day 1 he only mentions him once, and by Day 3 he has whole new suspicions out of nowhere. This has parallels to my play this game, with the exception that I don't believe I have clamored for someone's death so adamantly, only to drop them out of existence. Also, for being so similar to my play this game, I don't think he's come under that much fire from other players beyond the occasional vote, whereas I have been attacked by the majority of the players in this game, nearly. I could see him as scum, or perhaps just lazy. Wouldn't mind seeing him hang.

Glork's is gonna take a while, and I have class soon, so it'll have to wait until later.

I skipped Glork, pablito, PJ, Yosarian2, and Zindaras, since they have a crapload of posts. Here's everyone else.

KaleiDoscope (Replacing Bird):

Day 2 -
- Suspicious of CDB and PJ, notes Pab/Glork connection and MoS trusting people early
- Suspicious of Pablito, CDB, and Pooky (and votes them), also somewhat suspicious of Fritz, Phoebus, and PJ (Gives reasoning)
- Undecided about LuckayLuck, thinks Glork's play is a little off, thinks MBL is town, also thinks Zindaras is town
- Unvotes CDB when Lowell replaces him
Day 3 -
- Votes Pablito
- Not convinced that MoS is scum yet, interested in MoS's replies
- Suspicious of Yos
- Not happy about MoS bandwagon
- Top 3: Pablito, Der Hammer, Phoebus

Result: I'm not seeing Kscope as particularly town or scum right now (OMG he placed him in his neutral category, scumbuddies LOLOLOL!). He has come a long way from Bird's behavior, but I would like to know what he thinks of Fritzler and PJ still. He named them on his suspicions list yesterday but hasn't touched them since, contenting with ONLY a Pablito vote until asked to give 3 suspects.

Lowell (Replacing CDB):

Day 2 -
- Declares Zindaras as most protown player so far, also MBL is high up there. Lists CTD as well. Phoebus and MoS considered protown, insinuates that MoS has attempted to become King. No opinion of Nightson or Pooky, neutral towards SV, neutralish towards PJ. Votes Yos, Pablito, and LuckayLuck with reasoning.
- Comes up with a plan to have the Kingmaker out themselves every day and act as proxy to the King, guaranteeing a protown executioner.
- Comes up with a plan to have everyone make a List of Good Kings for the Kingmaker to get ideas from.
- Wants to know how Glork narrowed his list to Yos and Pooky. Declares Kscope protown.
Day 3 -
- Confused as to choice of new King
- Asks King to help pressure the lurkers
- Thinks Glork is town (with reasoning)
- Votes SV and MoS, SV for freudian slip and MoS for recent efforts not seeming protownish. Thinks Rafk is town
- Votes CTD

Result: I'm getting a protown feel from Lowell. He's getting involved and presenting his own arguments for his suspicions. He also came up with two good plans that I didn't see before and apparently didn't get a lot of discussion. I see no reason why we shouldn't use the plans Lowell came up with. We need to implement them now, especially after we got a scummy person as king (Dead Rik). The Kingmaker could use input and reasoning as to who would make a good king.

Mert:

Day 1 -
- Votes CDB
- Speculates about good strategy for forming an LoE
- Votes MoS and Bird for their voting patterns
- Disagrees that parallels between CDB and RA from KM 1 point to CDB being town
- Votes Phoebus for not being helpful, unvotes MoS for being more vocal
- Wonders why pablito is acting so strange intentionally
Day 2 -
- Votes Twomz and Pooky for the nutkicking theory (supporting it)
- Asks for replacement

Results: Generally protownish feeling, nothing strong. He needs to be replaced.

Nightfall (Replacing UberTimmy):

Day 2 -
- 1 post, Dec. 16th.

Results: He needs to be replaced.

Nightson:

Day 1 -
- Votes pablito and phoebus, thinks cdb is town
- Defends reasoning for his votes
Day 2 -
- Votes Twomz for stuff lost in crash
- Thinks MBL, Glork, and PJ are town, not sure about Pablito
- Unvotes, has a problem with a Yos execution
- Votes pablito and MBL (for logical fallacies)
- Will reread (Dec 5)
- Will reread (Jan 3)
- Will reread (Jan 10)

Result: Needs to be replaced.

Olio:

Day 2 -
- Votes pablito, LuckayLuck, and Nightson
- Asks pablito why he voted him
Day 3 -
- Top 3 suspects: pablito, LuckayLuck, Nightson; SV and MoS are contenders for T3
- Votes MoS for changing his mind without explanations
- Thinks townies need to know why someone was lynched, not just who should be lynched.

Results: I'm neutral to Olio. He's done more than this, I just wrote what stood out to me. He hasn't done anything scummy.

Phoebus:

Day 1 -
- Votes MBL, CDB, and pablito
- Votes mert
- Gives reason for votes as joining bandwagons after reading
Day 2 -
- Doesn't like bird's opening post, votes Bird
- Votes pablito and Yosarian, gut reasoning
- Said he would be more active Day 3

Results: I believe he asked for replacement, but I feel that he was being genuine in his posts. I will have to see how his replacement does.

Samus:

Day 2 -
- Single post (Dec 16)

Results: He needs to be replaced, NOW

This should help your reread, Smashy.

[spectrumvoid]

Looking at everyone's top 3 would also help.

Post an LOE soon please or I'll die of boredom.

[Toaster Strudel]

OK. There is a nonretractable deadline set for March 12; if somebody has not been executed by that date then King Smashy will be killed for incompetence.

Thok RULES!!!

@Smashy - CES is right. Just kill someone already. All our feet are sore for standing around for months waiting for the surprise beheading.

[pablito]

So...you guys are going to expect Smashy to wade through pages and decide on a lynch target by himself all before deadline?

Someone hurry up and say something stupid so that you get executed and it makes the decision earlier.

I suggest that we start by having LL, MoS, SV, Dragons and Yosarian try to reason away why they have the most votes on them at the moment. Because really, to someone just coming into the game and not having previously read, that's gotta be the most eye-popping thing so far.

I recommend looking at Dead Rik's last few posts. It's a good catch-up read at minimum.

[DragonsofSummer]

Well I have the most votes on me because of the person I replaced... Like I said before I am and will do my best to change everyones opinion on this subject (as soon as this game gets going again).

[DragonsofSummer]

EBWOP: The third most votes on me...

[olio]

Happy with my "votes" at the moment.

[spectrumvoid]

Not sure if this is useful:

Who was against both lynches
LL,SV, MBL, CTD, Yos (for thinking Pooky was neutral)

Who was against both lynches, but thought pooky was townier (wanted Yos)
CTD, LL

Who wanted Pooky
Zindaras, Scope, Pablito

Who wanted Yos
DR, Mos (wanted either but prefers Yos), lowell

Who changed their mind halfway:
Glork: said he was not THAT sure Yos was scum in post 1009, then attacked Yos.
PJ: asked Pooky to hurry up with analysis, then said Pooky was neutral, but he wasn't getting a good read off his posts.
Zindaras: jokes that pooky was nutkicked, says he's disappointed by a Pooky execution, says Pooky is not a good execution.
pablito: suggests stay of execution of Pooky, then says he would execute Pooky.

Quoting the whole post just in case you missed it. The important bit is at the front. There were 5 people who disagreed with both lynches (ie: playing both sides.) Is there a particular reason you decided to single me out?[/quote]

Note that there has been responses to this.

[Shanba]

Whey! The game's been resurrected! All hail king Smashy!

[Mastermind of Sin]

I believe I have votes because I have chosen a radically different playstyle than most (in the singular instance of this game) and have proceeded to defy the establishment and do whatever I want during the game. Pretty much all the reasoning against me stems from that.

[spectrumvoid]

Purely from memory without rereading:
- for supposedly not voting pooky and yos.
- for changing my mind on Glork. This is pretty major: I was after Glork because of his non-existent reasons for attacking Yos. Then I changed my mind after someone pointed something out and I realised he was under no pressure to bus a scumbuddy.
- for my preference to select a few people at a time (I think).

[LuckayLuck]

Smashy: execute Der Hammer.

they're on both Glork's and PJ's list. Therefore you can't really go wrong. Plus I don't think anybody will miss him.

[pablito]

LL, isn't it a bit ironic that there are actually

two

people who are on both Glork's and PJ's lists? Did you forget that you're the other person aside from Der Hammer?

Thus - explain why you singled out Der Hammer aside from the sole reason that he appears on two peoples' lists.

[LuckayLuck]

LL, isn't it a bit ironic that there are actually two people who are on both Glork's and PJ's lists? Did you forget that you're the other person aside from Der Hammer?

Thus - explain why you singled out Der Hammer aside from the sole reason that he appears on two peoples' lists.

I was actually debating this with myself for a long time.
"Should I publicly mention that I truly will be pretty much following Glork/PJ/Pablito's opinions with no real effort on my part in this game since I really am lost?"
well, I just did mention it so I guess this won out.

I also debated with myself: "should I publicly mention that I don't really care so much if I get lynched?" And I decided that I do care, if I'm up for lynch then fine, I'll put up a weak fight. I have no suspicions other than Glork/PJ/Pablito's. I don't have any defense to any scum accusations. I'm batting for the fences. If it ends up that Der Hammer is scum, then my message of wanton apathy for what happens to Der Hammer ("execute Der Hammer") and if he happens to be scum, then BAM, I'm set, I can just ride along.

I usually really care about not getting lynched / executed in this case when I am town, but...well...meh, this day sorta killed me. Emotionally. It may end up killing me literally too. Meh.

To re-iterate, this may perhaps be my sole contribution - though it's an important one:
There are a lot of good lynches out there, the only really bad ones are the following-

Pablito
Petroleumjelly
Glork
Smashy (because Dead Rikamaru was very villager)

and yeah, that's pretty much what I'll be rolling with
If faced with a LOE, my defense will be "I'm not scum, if I appear off my townie game, it's beause I'm semi-apathetic"
If faced with the question with who my suspicions are, I will glance at my townie list's suspicions and take them straight off of there
You know my townie list.


Anyways, execute Der Hammer! Kapow! Or me! At the very least executing me gives you a confirmed townie's opinion that he really believed that pablito/pj/glork/smashy were townies.

Hell, I even had the following plan brewing:

alternate Glork king & pablito king

but, that's really not ideal. The king position should be spread out to as many people as possible, nearly never repeating. The reasoning behind this is that the king can be heavily scrutinized and that king's action is perhaps the best indicator of whether a player is scum or townie.

Anyyyhoooo that's my schpiel
yeah, I'm sad that 2 of pablito/pj/glork think I may be scum, but that's life. I'll roll with it, hopefully slide under the radar, and not get executed. There's a lot of things that you can quote from this post which sound scummy, such as:

hopefully slide under the radar

but really, don't try, since this is a post basically explaining my position / feelings, that's all


neways
my official position is: execute der hammer, hope for the hail mary that he is in fact scum, get cleared, get beaten/stabbed by evils, exit stage right.

[LuckayLuck]

Thus - explain why you singled out Der Hammer aside from the sole reason that he appears on two peoples' lists.

lol...I just realized that I never really explained it and seriously digressed.

I am singling out Der Hammer for the sole reason that he appears on two peoples' lists, because I trust these two people very much.