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EspeciallyTheLies Survivor
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hi EspeciallyTheLies o/
since you question how a self-vote will give us info, I guess you think it won't give us as much as a regular vote. can you explain why plz?In post 44, Sakura Hana wrote:
Credibility aside, what info is a self-vote going to give us?In post 41, Hiraki wrote:There's no basis for any vote right now so a self-vote has as much credibility as a vote on someone else.
I don't think you asked him about the self-vote? if you thought it'd be a good idea to find out the information, why couldn't you just ask him?In post 85, Sakura Hana wrote:Post 44
No I'm not saying wagons shouldn't exist, but the Ankamius wagon was better than the Venrob wagon because of the reasons I said earlier and could have POTENTIALLY obtained the reason for his self-vote rather than wagon someone for trying to obtain said info.
Would you build a wagon on an Innocent Child? Serious Question.
now that Alduskkel explained his vote, what's your opinion?In post 56, thenewearth wrote:How was it a good vote?
VOTE: Alduskkel
If it was a good vote
Then it's a "good vote" so conveniently placed after 2 votes on sakura
opportunistic as fuck man
actually, you know what
unvote vote: JamesSavage
only posted twice, one was RVS and the other one was the post below v which doesn't have hardly anything in it. Doesn't seem it's same thing as DoctorEagle who apparently missed game start. This makes me think he's lurking on purpose 0.0-
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Ok guys, caught up. (HI SAKI, SAKURA, TNE, DP/EAGLE <3)
I find Venrob's reaction to the self-vote EXACTLY what we should be looking for. It was a dirty, opportunistic jump on the first thing that could be called scummy.
Nevermind. Hiraki took the words out of my mouth.
Which reminds me, I agree with this 100%In post 116, Hiraki wrote:Manipulation of scum tells.
Ankamius did more with his first post than Sakura has done with her entire ISO (sorry, love, but it's not good). Not only that, but Sakura's whiteknighting of Venrob was like a flashing neon sign.In post 41, Hiraki wrote:However, you [Venrob] are trying to twist it, as any scum would, to make it look scummy
Top scum reads: Venrob and Sakura Hana
Ok reads list, here we go:
Alduskkel - null
Ankamius - town
Brian Skies - town
DoctorEagle - null (Post more honey bunches! There's two of you, no reason to not be posting more by now.)
EspeciallyTheLies - so town <3
Hiraki - town (I have to be honest and say the last game we played together left a very sour taste for you. However, the distinct difference in your play style here from your scum play in that game tells me you're probably town. Or I could be wrong and you could piss me off again. Time will tell but I'm liking what you've done so far.)
JacobSavage - null (Why no content?)
pieguyn - towntowntown
Sakura Hana - scum
thenewearth - null
Venrob - scum
Viera Assassin - nullArt is cool.-
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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Sakura answer my questions plz.
just realized, also plz explain this:
first you defend VenrobSakura wrote:Because the reasoning for it even existing is stupid.
then you call people for defending AnkamiusSakura wrote:Not only to Ankamius but the people voting Venrob as well.
Why are you guys defending Ankamius is a better question.
also you say you think Venrob is townSakura wrote:Ok since Alduskkel guy here cant take hints and can't read, My comment on RVS votes means that I agree with Venrob and that I think he's town hence the wagon shouldn't even exist.
but suspect him here? ^ just explain why the flip flop plz...In post 121, Sakura Hana wrote:So we got 2 people going "Hey guys! look how pro-town i am by taking us out of RVS!"
Yeah no
Unvote
Vote: Ankamius
At least Venrob has a reason to be against the self-vote.
mb Sakura+Venrob team here? she was really defending him a lot, so for me, all of a sudden suspecting him seems like distancing and not a valid read. 0.0-
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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pieguyn Survivor
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can you quote what made you think this plz? and plz link exactly where you changed your opinion on Ank.Sakura Hana wrote:The flip flop is based on what Ank said, the thing is that Ank is as guilty
Sakura Hana wrote:and it was reafirmed that venrob also seems to want to appear town on his next post, due to these events i re-evaluated my read on him.
why this ^ then? here you're implying he voted for a legit reason, instead of just trying to appear town.At least Venrob has a reason to be against the self-vote.
also, answer my other questions plz. posting here for convenience ~~me wrote:since you question how a self-vote will give us info, I guess you think it won't give us as much as a regular vote. can you explain why plz?me wrote:I don't think you asked him about the self-vote? if you thought it'd be a good idea to find out the information, why couldn't you just ask him?-
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I really gotta head to sleep so i'm not gonna quote everything.
I didnt? unless going from null to scum is changing my opinion of him.In post 132, pieguyn wrote:and plz link exactly where you changed your opinion on Ank.
Both Venrob and Ank have been trying to appear town, but Venrob voted ank for legit reasons (the self-vote) ank's reasoning for voting Venrob doesnt have much of a base.
A self-vote means that you're voting for the only person you know is confirmed town (if you're town) hence holds no info, while voting for someone else not only increases pressure but also makes others take stances, why would you incrase pressure on yourself?
What is there to ask about the self-vote that hasn't been already asked?
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I didn't have a base for my vote? Venrob's explanation for his vote on me made the vote itself look a lot less like town-motivated pressure and more like mafia-motivated pressure. That was what I was attacking.In post 133, Sakura Hana wrote:Both Venrob and Ank have been trying to appear town, but Venrob voted ank for legit reasons (the self-vote) ank's reasoning for voting Venrob doesnt have much of a base.
A self-vote means that you're voting for the only person you know is confirmed town (if you're town) hence holds no info, while voting for someone else not only increases pressure but also makes others take stances, why would you incrase pressure on yourself?
It's also really interesting how a case one of your scumreads made ended up making a significant townread into a scumread.
ETL's entrance looks pretty town. pieguy is also looking town right now.-
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pieguyn Survivor
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Sakura I thought for like half an hour about what you said and I seriously can't make any sense out of it
I'll just wait for you to wake up and provide more details about exactly what you're referring to instead. www in the meantime, something else I saw
why are you defending Venrob by attacking his attackers? it's just discouraging people from actually scumhunting and, if he is scum, prevents him from having to do anything. it also doesn't change the fact that, if you're telling the truth, at each point, people defended people who they thought were town at the time (even though it's still questionable if anyone was even defending Ank). I fail to see why other people should be suspected and not you for doing the exact same thing, when your method of defense is much worse.In post 53, Sakura Hana wrote:Because the reasoning for it even existing is stupid.
ad hominem or whatever it's calledSakura wrote:Ok since Alduskkel guy here cant take hints and can't read-
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Brian Skies Survivor
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since when were you not understanding it in the first place? 0.0In post 136, Brian Skies wrote:I'm still not understanding the wagon on Sakura.
after a quick check, I don't see you ever mentioning you didn't understand it. mb I just missed it > <-
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STOP POSTING SO MUCH!
Seriously I don't have any idea whats going on.
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Vote Count 1.2
12 alive, 7 to lynch
Venrob (3): Brian Skies, Hiraki, Ankamius,
Alduskkel (2): JacobSavage, thenewearth,
Ankamius (2): Venrob, Sakura Hana,
Sakura Hana (1): Alduskkel,
JacobSavage (1): pieguyn,
Not Voting: DoctorEagle, Viera Assassin, EspeciallyTheLies,
Deadline: September 28, 3 PM EDT (GMT-4) ((expired on 2013-09-28 15:00:00))
Prodding: thenewearth, Viera Assassin
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The individual action will do nothing, that is correct. However, the reaction to the individual action is what you should always be looking for anyway in an RVS stage of a game.Sakura Hana wrote:Credibility aside, what info is a self-vote going to give us?
Do you think he really wants to lynch himself? Then the vote is a joke. If you think it's a bad joke and that it will lead to nothing, then go ahead and vote him. That's your reasoning and not mine. The problem with that, however, is that we do not lynch for bad jokes, we lynch people we think are scum. Town and scum can make bad jokes so therefore it's useless to go about trying to find something bad/good about the individual action of self-voting.
This is good.In post 49, Alduskkel wrote:What is your opinion of the Venrob wagon?
Further indulge me on this, please.In post 53, Sakura Hana wrote:Because the reasoning for it even existing is stupid.
It was probably the least opportunistic vote in the game. Why does it matter that it was 2 votes after?In post 56, thenewearth wrote:If it was a good vote
Then it's a "good vote" so conveniently placed after 2 votes on sakura
opportunistic as fuck man
You do realize that the only way you can find a good opportunity vote is if the reason completely mimics a vote or if it can be seen that the person in question was only most, if not all, town lynches (and this is weak and can be used to town/scum advantage).
The problem is that she used that as an opinion.In post 70, Brian Skies wrote:It's not an opinion. It's the hint.
How are you getting Sakura town from that?In post 72, Viera Assassin wrote:town
No, but what were you thinking?In post 78, Brian Skies wrote:Saki'sVS' recent surge of activity is kind of shocking. Does anyone find it indicative in any way?
Pieguyn: Can you clearly display your reads on Sakura and Adduskel?
The former was a random vote. This vote was real.Pieguyn wrote:^ voted him again after unvoting him.
It's only six pages with I think the first two being a tad bit useless. If you're dillydallying now, then I can expect that you'll still be at this point next week?In post 138, JacobSavage wrote:STOP POSTING SO MUCH!
Seriously I don't have any idea whats going on.
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Alduskkel Jack of All Trades
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Venrob is town, based on my knowledge of his playstyle.
Sakura satisfies me for the moment. She bumps up to nullish scum.Unvote.But I'll leave aFoS.
Also, both people on my "wagon" (if two players are a wagon) are just sort of parking their vote there without actually pushing a case on me or responding to things I've said.
pieguyn is slightly town (I say slightly because it's only page 6), so I'll go with his read, though I don't strictly prefer JacobSavage over thenewearth.
Vote: JacobSavage
Also, about half the playerlist seriously needs to get in here and stop lurking. Not all of you damn lurkers are scum... if you were, it'd be easy.
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Is anyone here scumreading Venrob who has also played with him before?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I think Venrob goes for a sort of "by the book" style, and considering self-voting scummy falls into that.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Self-voting at L-1 is scummy. Self-voting in LYLO is scummy. Self-voting in RVS is a trap set for scum, and Venrob took the bait hook, line and sinker. Aldu, are you willing to look at this from all angles?
Also, I'd like to say, RVS != information. RVS is fucking horrible. It's the reactions to RVS that carry the gold. Using an RVS vote on someone else does not give more information than voting yourself. It gives the same exact amount, depending on who reacts to what in what way.Art is cool.-
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It can be anti-town, but I don't think it's meaningfully scummy.In post 146, Sakura Hana wrote:So according to you self-voting isn't scummy?
ETL, how do you know Venrob doesn't actually think self-voting is scummy? Also, Brian voted for Ankamius, too, do you think that was scummy?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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