Mini 1486: Fruit Basket Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

hm. i'm thinking my reasons for thinking mnem could be town aren't as strong as i initially thought they were, and there's a whole bunch of scummy stuff in his ISO (including the way he voted lucky) that makes me want him dead.

[zMuffinMan]

what are we at now? like 8:1 most likely?

eh, lynching kid A wouldn't be the biggest loss if he's town, but i'd rather not atm.

[zMuffinMan]

i'm happy enough with peabody, bvd, TSO town. i'm thinking elyse is town, too. i'm still a bit conflicted on dj, but he can be town for now.

if remaining scum isn't in {mnem, desp} it's probably kid a.

only reason i wouldn't mind a kid a lynch is because it serves as part of a poe process anyway. i'm thinking mnem is a better choice, though.

Vote: mnemonic

[don_johnson]

mod: can we get a vote count?

kidA: who is your next choice for scum?

[Kid A]

@ DJ: Justify how KidA makes sense as a partner with ASP/Lucky and pdmedic/VA.

he pushed against the VA wagon. pdmedic(traitor) posted early on with ASP and kidA. it look slike a huge breadcrumb from the traitor to the scum team. not sure where his vote on ASP was. let's see:

oops i guess slandaar was right

VOTE: a simple plan

wow. that's expansive reasoning there.[/sarcasm]

he soft defends ASP here:

I can.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: A Simple Plan

what is the reasoning behind this vote

here: kidA is tieing fish to ASP:

Alright, lets get this thing started.

VOTE: pdmedic

i found fishes partner

need I go on? I think I already posted the iso case yesterday.

Peabody: so? lynch kidA first. desp or mnem can go tomorrow if the game doesn't end.

does anyone here notice kidA's desperation? his survival instincts?

kidA: if you believe so strongly that I am scum, then self vote. your town flip would bolster your case.

first of all we already established that my early posts were deliberately exaggerated to get the game going and get some reactions so pls dont use that as evidence thx

secondly why would i bus my role cop so easily and why wouldnt i have switched to ff when i had a) expressed that i thought they were scum and b) the lynch was becoming viable in place of ASPs wagon. ASPs case on me was manufactured and didnt really make sense (much like your case on me) so I thought it was a scummy reaction to the pressure he was under. we totally could have done the ff lynch d1 if i'd supported it but i wanted to lynch the person i was more sure of as scum and have more time to develop reads on my secondary suspects (bvd and ff)

im not voting myself because im town and lynching town does not help town

also the scum is within TSO and muffinman i think if you are town

[don_johnson]

alexcellent bussed hard if that is the case, no?

who was TSO? stubbs?

you think mnem is town then?

muffin's reluctance for your wagon raises the hackles a bit I must confess.

I am forgetting that ASP was power. hm.

where was muffin on the VA wagon?

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: muffinman

boy did you dance around the VA wagon. your misunderstanding of why and how VA may have been recruited seems fake on reread. you can go first.

[Elyse]

Muffin is town.

DJ, I'll vote for Kid A tomorrow if we lynch mnemonic today and he flips town.

[RadiantCowbells]

reserved for votecount

sorry I've been slacking, had midterm yesterday t_t

[T S O]

Muffin is town.

[Kid A]

Muffin is town.

why?

[T S O]

hm. i need to rethink mnem actually. there's two things that are making me think he could be town. one of them i can't talk about.

This screams town.

[RadiantCowbells]

No humor located within this votecount.

Kid A- 2 (TSO, mnemonicdevice)
mnemonicdevice - 2 (Peabody, zMuffinMan)
Elyse - 1 (Desperado)
Desperado - 1 (Elyse)
don_johnson - 1 (Kid A)
zMuffinMan - 1 (don_johnson)

Not Voting - (Buffy VS Dracula)

With

9

alive it's

5

to lynch!

This day will come to it's end in (expired on 2013-10-19 12:00:00).

BVD has been prodded!

[Peabody]

My point is that I don't think scum would vote the claimed cop like he did. His thought process matches closely to my thought process on how I claimed. It looks like it was a natural townie vote.

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mnemonicdevice

[mnemonicdevice]

i'm happy enough with peabody, bvd, TSO town. i'm thinking elyse is town, too. i'm still a bit conflicted on dj, but he can be town for now.

if remaining scum isn't in {mnem, desp} it's probably kid a.

only reason i wouldn't mind a kid a lynch is because it serves as part of a poe process anyway. i'm thinking mnem is a better choice, though.

Vote: mnemonic

So, you go from having a strong townread on me to having me as most scummy in a few posts?

[mnemonicdevice]

And then elyse joins on the bandwagon. Lets all just sheep muffin.

[Elyse]

No I thought I was already voting you before.

And yes I am comfortable with sheeping muffin, but no that's not what I'm doing.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote mnemonic

L-1

[zMuffinMan]

@mnem,

well it was a few posts, but it was more me rereading and thinking about things. i was going over ISOs.

the thing i did like about your ISO and the main reason i was giving you credit for being town, is that i wasn't sure whether you as scum would choose to attack slandaar in the way you did. because slandaar just seems like an odd choice of target to attack if you're scum. but then i thought about it a little more and your attack on slandaar makes absolutely no sense given your supposed reads at the time. D1 you had him as a very strong town read (the first listed among your two strongest town reads) and with little to no explanation you suddenly were "most unsure" about him of all the players and decided to ISO him first when doing ISOs (i'm not even sure if you did any other ISOs). nothing happened between D1 and D2 that should have changed your read on slandaar that drastically, and if anything your town read on him should have been strengthened after lucky's flip.

another thing i didn't like is your read progression on kid A. even just today you go from thinking his posts look genuine and not being able to see him as scum, to thinking he's null and worth a vote. why would you even vote a null read whose posts you think are "genuine"? why is someone whose posts you think are genuine even null?

there's also minor things here and there i didn't like. for example, the rolefishing stuff (docs + "there aren't any masons in this game, are there...?") and i agree with peabody's point about your initial post today - it did look like a variant of congratulating the doc.

@dj,

i'm gonna be straight up with you. even if i were scum and i

did

think saki was a traitor, and even if i

did

think recruiting a traitor was a worthwhile use of a NK (hint: i don't), i cannot think of a scenario where i would willingly shoot saki in an attempt to recruit him. that wasn't me misunderstanding anything, that was me thinking a saki recruit is ludicrous.

[zMuffinMan]

as for dancing around the VA wagon yesterday, yeah, i was, but that had a lot to do with me being unsure about whether or not he was faking the peabody attack. *shrug* if you're able to discern saki's scum play from his town play, then kudos to you.

[don_johnson]

i'm gonna be straight up with you. even if i were scum and i did think saki was a traitor, and even if i did think recruiting a traitor was a worthwhile use of a NK (hint: i don't), i cannot think of a scenario where i would willingly shoot saki in an attempt to recruit him. that wasn't me misunderstanding anything, that was me thinking a saki recruit is ludicrous.

what is with you, man? seriously. I have never pushed the "recruitment hit". I have said many times now that the recruitment may very well not have been deliberate. the fact you keep denying that you would recruit saki, coupled with your willful ignorance of the idea that saki was simply nk'd gives me scum vibes like you wouldn't believe. stop it.

[zMuffinMan]

I have said many times now that the recruitment may very well not have been deliberate.

then you're an idiot.

[zMuffinMan]

point to one thing in either VA's or pdmedic's ISO that you think could be construed as a PR crumb or would lead me or my predecessor to think, "you know what would be a good idea? killing useless lynchbait because he's a threat to my wincon!"

[don_johnson]

i'm not going to wifom an nk. the slot was quiet except for when it called out scum. town pr's often times lurk. snapping off a shot at an inactive slot is not a bad move by mafia. it happens all the time.