How is it not an answer? That's literally how you balance it.In post 1497, Majiffy wrote:Which is why I'm asking you how you would balance a game with an unlimited-shot nightvig and an x-shot dayvig on the same alignment.
And saiyng "scum doc, bulletproof, roleblockers etc" is not an answer. It doesn't address anything.
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In post 1498, DrDolittle wrote:jiffy's arguments actually make a lot of sense.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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Because it doesn't address negative utility of incompetent vigs.In post 1500, Natirasha wrote:
How is it not an answer? That's literally how you balance it.In post 1497, Majiffy wrote:Which is why I'm asking you how you would balance a game with an unlimited-shot nightvig and an x-shot dayvig on the same alignment.
And saiyng "scum doc, bulletproof, roleblockers etc" is not an answer. It doesn't address anything.
Like I said; an incompetent cop just gets innos. Doesn't harm anyone. Incompetent vigs (and two of them? Christ) can end an alignment damn near instantly.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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With two killing town roles that roughs out to a potential of 4 dead townies every day-night cycle.
21 players in this game. 4 dead townies every cycle means even with a ratio of 17:4 you'll be reaching LYLO within 3 day phases (13:4 on d2, 9:4 on d3, 5:4 on d5)
And that's with a pathetically low scum ratio.
So if your argument has to come down to "hope your vig isn't incompetent", you should probably go back to the drawing board.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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Remember, we're not just arguing theory here. We're talking about the likelihood of an unlimited-shot nightvig and an x-shot dayvig in this setup both being town-aligned.
I call no way.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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* 5:4 on d4 in 1504Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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Now I'm going to sleep. Maybe you should go re-read Pie's ISO and then make the intelligent decision and vote him.
Toodles.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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It's like trawling from that quiet stream deep in the woods. Subtle.In post 1472, DeasVail wrote:No, I'm saying that he would look pretty damn town if he had more than 1 shot.Wayne's reading...odd, but I think he's trying, he's just decided the quickest way to the market down the street was to create a causality portal and tesseract between the two spaces rather than walking. down. the street. ~ Ghostlin
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Balance
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But I think we'd be seeing an entirely different game if that were the case...Wayne's reading...odd, but I think he's trying, he's just decided the quickest way to the market down the street was to create a causality portal and tesseract between the two spaces rather than walking. down. the street. ~ Ghostlin
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You know what? I'm just going to give jiffy this one. I could argue further but I don't think we're actually accomplishing anything and, honestly, I suspect that we do have scum in our claimed PRs(cheeky thing: if this is multiball, having a scumtracker and scumwatcher on opposite sides is an interesting duality). Moreover, we likely have some nonstandard mechanics going on in regards to Gundam Suit Powers. In addition to the fact I'm not convinced Kalimar isn't scum and we still have the fact of softclaimed investigators ready to investigate pie. And IF pie is town, he is a higher priority target. In addition, if he's scum fakeclaiming, we get to lead the nightkill by leaving him alive until we figure out everything else. It's just...he's a bad kill no matter how you look at it.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Day 1 - Vote Count #48
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pieguyn (4)- waynegg, Empking, Majiffy, AGar
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Majiffy (4)- leviathan93, DeasVail, pieguyn, Svenskt Stål
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ArcAngel9 (4)- NachoKoopa, Natirasha, Sakura Hana, talah
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Not voting (6)- DrDolittle, Belisarius, PeregrineV, Matias, ArcAngel9, Kalimar
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11 votes needed to lynch
Deadline: (expired on 2013-10-23 11:46:30)
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And you checked that yourself? Or did you just trust the statement?In post 1517, Sakura Hana wrote:The fact that she's posting elsewhere and avoiding this game convinced me.Wayne's reading...odd, but I think he's trying, he's just decided the quickest way to the market down the street was to create a causality portal and tesseract between the two spaces rather than walking. down. the street. ~ Ghostlin
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Yes I didIn post 1518, waynegg wrote:And you checked that yourself? Or did you just trust the statement?
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Oh god, i had no time and you already built wagon on me
Nacho, why are voting me.. I am not scum..i am very much town...Inatimeofancientgods,warlordsandkings,alandinturmoilcriedoutforahero.ShewasXena,amightyprincessforgedintheheatofbattle.Thepower,thepassion,thedanger.Hercouragewillchangetheworld-Xena Warrior Princess, Coming Soon!!-
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You don't seriously think you're getting Nacho today, do you?
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