In 275, if you had worded it, 'voice of experience' rather than 'voice of reason' it would have sounded better. Basically, by using reason, that is an implicit attempt at discreditation.
In post 271, Drake Crusader wrote:
I kinda want to axe JacobSavage this day. The reason would be :
I feel that Montosh is scum however, if we lynch JacobSavage then see who the mafia nightkills that would give us an indication of who is the goon's!
After looking at JS's play style and how he as so far played this game. I don't have a good feeling about him.
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I can be happy and keep my vote on Montosh and know that he is scum. However, if Jacob is mafia in which makes Montosh actually town. Then that would give him a upper hand.
I am trying to figure out:
"Is it more important to lynch someone who plays scummy or someone who doesn't even participate in playing." ? I mean Jacob isn't much help and if we lynch Montosh regardless of his alignment would't Jacob still be lurking and barely playing on day 2 ?
1) Bad logic in terms of using night kills to determine who mafia are. At this point, I have a fair idea of who the mafia WON'T kill, but even that is speculative.
2) Second time the word goon had been used, i.e. it is not a common word. Applied towards this game rather than concluded game. I do not like that a new player used it at all. Especially since only used once, remainder of time used more common 'scum'.
3) Know he is scum? At this point, there are two players who know something about another player.
4) 'If Jacob is mafia in which makes Montosh actually town' What? I know that I have had issues understanding your phrasing in the past, but if that says what I think it does, that's another huge leap of logic there. Jacob=mafia =/ montosh=town The only person who can make that type of claim with any certainty is the other mafia since they know that there's only one other mafia.
In post 278, Drake Crusader wrote:
My vote is still on Montosh because I feel he is scum. I am asking if their is any value of not lynching him and going for JacobSavage.
The reason I get confused is because:
JS could be a partner for Montosh.
JS is the experienced player Montosh is not. So JS lurks and let Montosh take the beating. That could be plausible.
If I was protecting Montosh I wouldn't be pushing for his lynch.
However, JS could just be a not very helpful town person. If we lynch him off then we know that we have Montosh as the scum and whoever his partner may be.
Js lynch ends D1
Montosh NK one of us to make it D2.
Then we vote Montosh off and end D2 in a matter of minutes.
We would of elimated a crappy player and a mafia goon. So then we are down to more serious things.
With only 1 Mafia member left that would mean the town has the upper hand.
IF JS flips scum then town wins and we go back to queue. Since lynching Montosh would equate both being killed.
1) Again, know. No one town knows anything day 1.
2) let's say that both jacob and montosh are town. Following the second plan is a recipe for a loss. We get two mislynches and end day 2 'in a matter of minutes' No, that's not town talk.
3) There is 0 guarantee that jacob and montosh have a mafia out of the two (or both are). The only way for someone to have knowledge that one is would be if they are mafia (obviously if both are, the second sentence is moot).
Still partly on the fence for everyone else, drake I am not on the fence at all. And you always vote for someone you feel is confirmed mafia.
VOTE: drake
Only way I move that vote is to prevent a no lynch due to lack of votes, beyond that, almost certainly won't happen.