NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[goodmorning]

the best mistakes are the ones that people don't notice

OH WAIT

Votecount 1.20

RadiantCowbells [L-6] - Toomai, Angry Frat BROs, Doctor Jekyll

Sakura Hana [L-7] - Rank, Hermy

yessiree [L-7] - likeabauss, MC Maraca

Guyett [L-7] - PeregrineV, Sakura Hana

JacobSavage [L-8] - sangres

TheIrishPope [L-8] - yessiree

sangres [L-8] - MVP

Hermy [L-8] - RadiantCowbells

caledfwitch [L-8] - Guyett

Not Voting [3] - JacobSavage, caledfwitch, TheIrishPope

With 17 alive, it takes

9

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-11-20 09:39:00)

[yessiree]

that's enough activity for me today you guys can have your chitchat and whatnot

Hi, what are your reads.

idk wtf you talking about sir

what are reads never heard of them

p-edit: yeaaah tippy is on the board

[MC Maraca]

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

This always pings me. Are you really planning on meta'ing hydra heads? And if you cant tell which head is posting anyways, your analysis specific to each head will probably suck.

Spoiler:

THIS IS MY EGOPOST GM ITS OKAY I LOVE YOU AND IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER ILL SEND A PICTURE OF MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT INTO HERE

THIS IS MY EGOPOST GM ITS OKAY I LOVE YOU AND IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL A PICTURE OF MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT INTO HERE

I LOVE YOU IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT INTO HERE

I LOVE YOU IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT

I MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT

I MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT

I MAKES KAT

IM A SK

VOTE: Cabd / MC Makara

RC could you explain this SK read to me? Why is he an SK and not group scum?

We are relieved to learn that our random vote has landed in an intelligent place!

Interesting use of the word intelligent :S - why was MVP's post noteworthy?

Actually, good question for everyone. SK is found day one. Lynch or leash? Give reasoning, there will be a grading rubric.

Cabd, is this you? Why are you flooding P2 with shitty questions and dumb RC quotes? Leave the shitposting to BRO and I thanks.

Because I am group scum and know for a fact that he isnt one of us, and something in the way our scumteam is set up suggests that there are no other full scumteams, but we have reason to believe that there is a SK because one of us has bulletproof.

Duh.

where did this come from?

and what are you doing?

Guyett could you shut the fuck up for a moment because you're being a hypocrite

This is the towniest thing I have ever seen, ever.

[MC Maraca]

Especially from TIP

[MC Maraca]

I'm about 100% sure I have mentioned this, but I don't see where: Maraca playing good cop bad cop with me (ha, ha) gives me some for srs flashbacks to Hard Boiled. I would also think that Mara might adjust her opinion having seen our towngame in said game, even if from the wrong perspective.

~Jekyll

why do you think this, when I even tend to struggle to wrap my head around the town-plays of those I play with almost constantly?

Scum-games don't affect how I read people, usually as it is more, how to trick people and who to get mislynched over figuring out who is and isn't town which makes a world of a difference.

[yessiree]

Guyett could you shut the fuck up for a moment because you're being a hypocrite

This is the towniest thing I have ever seen, ever.

that's null stop handing out towncred like toilet paper

[yessiree]

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

This always pings me. Are you really planning on meta'ing hydra heads? And if you cant tell which head is posting anyways, your analysis specific to each head will probably suck.

dude fuck you too

I have my reasons, maybe

[Doctor Jekyll]

I'm about 100% sure I have mentioned this, but I don't see where: Maraca playing good cop bad cop with me (ha, ha) gives me some for srs flashbacks to Hard Boiled. I would also think that Mara might adjust her opinion having seen our towngame in said game, even if from the wrong perspective.

~Jekyll

why do you think this, when I even tend to struggle to wrap my head around the town-plays of those I play with almost constantly?

Scum-games don't affect how I read people, usually as it is more, how to trick people and who to get mislynched over figuring out who is and isn't town which makes a world of a difference.

You have to look at people's town games to figure out how to mislynch them. *shrug*

And if you were, say, scumreading me here for the same reasons you were fake scumreading me in Hardboiled, you would hopefully realize those don't make sense?

If this was somehow a Cabd post then sorry and I'm very confused

~Jekyll

[MC Maraca]

If this was somehow a Cabd post then sorry and I'm very confused

It was her. No confusion for you.

[MC Maraca]

for some reason I really hate the term "agree to disagree"

like are you actually fucking agreeing or disagreeing on something?

Let's agree to disagree on that term, then!

[MC Maraca]

Guyett could you shut the fuck up for a moment because you're being a hypocrite

This is the towniest thing I have ever seen, ever.

that's null stop handing out towncred like toilet paper

But maybe we think tippy is town but full of shit?

[Toomai]

TIP still not having the most postcount

VOTE: TIP

The heck is this, there's 7 players below him in postcount, some of which have pretty much zero content.

Vote: yessiree

Here's what I hate about this game so far... There's about a half dozen players doing this meta/history/relivingtheglorydaysofanotherepicgame/casual but deliberate buddying/bs. It's obfuscating real conversation and sorting. I get it, we're all friends here. And I understand we all have our own methods of scumhunting... But this has gotten far away from productive in my opinion. Sure, there's a number of players barely posting, but this non-productive banter is enabling that behavior. It's easy to hide or lurk when the cool kids club is attracting all the attention. So, fellow cool kids, let's focus the conversation a bit better.

Quoted for truth.

[TheIrishPope]

likeabauss

, I know you can read Rank like a book. What is he?

Rank

, I know you can read likeabauss like a book. What is he?

[Angry Frat BROs]

Ok I've done a quick read of Lucid dreamers, its my only game with Caled which I remember and she was scum in it.
She lurked pretty hard through that game too

VOTE: Caled

And you didn't compare this to a town game because...

[Angry Frat BROs]

11. Angry Frat BROs - null with a light town lean. I don't trust my ability to read AP just yet but their play has been quite jokey which I'd see coming from town. Early posts were good but later posts are kinda fluffy and theres discussion about game speculation from other games.

What am I, chopped liver?

(Hint, this is BRO)

[Angry Frat BROs]

14. RadiantCowbells - town. I don't think I've played with RC before. However he seems to be just taking the piss... I could see him as town just fucking around but I couldn't see scum doing that.

Calls out other people for posting full.

Calls RC's fluff town.

#logic.

[Angry Frat BROs]

What if I ended up being vigged and flipped a confirmable town role, such as Mason or Innocent Child or Beloved, who was trying to bait reactions since looking scummy isn't an object for someone who isn't going to end up being lynched anyway?

Then you're playing a shit game.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Can we continue to skewer RadiantCowbells to play properly instead of musing about previous games?

Or we can just lynch it, because.

Well, y'know. Scum.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Scum: Guyett.
Town: RC, AFB.

Pretty small ammount of reads but you know me and my thing with getting decent reads early on during large games.

1) How are you townreading RC.

2) If you're townreading both me/AP and RC, why aren't you trying to get me/AP off RC?

[Angry Frat BROs]

I think Guyett reading me off one game doesn't work that well. Just so you guys know, Lucid Dreamers is my only scum game so far and my scumbuddy basically carried me through the whole thing.

I don't think I have an established play style yet, but just because I haven't posted a lot doesn't necessarily mean a scum read. IRL man.

Do you have anything useful to say?

[Angry Frat BROs]

Angryfratbros deserves rope. Dude replaced into a slot that bailed out very early in the game. Townies don't tend to bail that early. They see what shakes out, read, and dive back in as time allows. Scum however has a team counting on them, working a strategy, and there's more pressure on a scum slot to be involved/present.

Dudes entry to the game was straight inside joke buddying. "Hey so and so. Don't mislynch my like last game. Tee-hee. Herp Derp." Not cool. Then a bunch more bs spam, useless fluff. Somewhere in the middle of it, another head jumped in and added to the wtfery.

I saw some town cheer leading "Scummers, get in here and post." which loosely translates to "I'm a posting machine, so obviously not scum. The scum just aren't posting."

Plus, there was the whole "Gym fist, then knowledge." Everybody knows you can't skip tanning and laundry and go straight to schooling bitches. GTL, then lynching scum. Get your mind right first. Only gready grimy scum would suggest skipping the laundromat.

There's more, but I'm mobile only for a bit and it's tough to quote and do real work.

1) Do you have any empirical evidence backing that claim, because it looks like a load of bullshit.

2) Sorry not sorry that we're excited to play with a bunch of players that we like.

3) You missed the part where I said that I'm townreading all the active players other than RC (active being players with more posts than the mod at that time).

[Guyett]

I think Guyett reading me off one game doesn't work that well. Just so you guys know,

Lucid Dreamers is my only scum game so far

and my scumbuddy basically carried me through the whole thing.

I don't think I have an established play style yet, but just because I haven't posted a lot doesn't necessarily mean a scum read. IRL man.

Don't forget the yessiree scum game... you took over his slot

[MC Maraca]

It's time for reads lists.

Town:

17. TheIrishPope

(Meta from both of us. You can take this read to the bank and cash it)

4. sangres

(I'll probably flip flop this at least twice this game minimum, but this seems like townffery from what data I do have on her (and from being inside her head b/c morph))

6. MVP

(town, I'm avoiding applying the notsci town or scum test because the other heads may skew that, if it was notscience alone it'd be down to null at the moment)

2. Doctor Jekyll

(His paranoia about me rings like it comes from an unsure mindset aka not fabricated. I'm working on brining mara around)

15. Toomai

(Every post toonami has posted seems town to me, but admittedly I have no actual meta here besides the Harry Potter game, this is on my homework list)

Null:

16. yessiree

(His response to our vote was town as fuck IMO, but mara has reservations)

11. Angry Frat BROs

(I will likely waffle on this forever, i've been wrong about bro 2/2 times so far)

3. Sakura Hana

(It's rare for me to not have an opinion of sakura, but this is that time. She's very... distant form the game so far.)

8. Guyett

(Guyett has yet to drop his hidden signature town tell, but he hasnt done anything overly scummy either. Mara has him down as gut-scum. )

9. likeabauss

(his hatred of the buddy-style sorting is null to me, i've gotten complaints about it from both alignments in the past. Nothing else much of note in the ISO)

Scum:

5. JacobSavage

(he's posting elsewhere and lurking the fuck out of this game. Just like 165.)

12. Hermy

(I had a super early light town lean, but that's gone seriously stale and 482 was piss poor for promsiing serious content, given it's three really fucking obvious questions)

7. caledfwitch

(That was a piss poor reason/excuse to not be giving content)

Holy fuck, this player is in this game?!? Since when?!?:

13. PeregrineV

(He was VLA, i expect insight soon)

10. Rank

(What's his excuse?)

I don't care what your role card says, your ass dies if you keep doing stupid shit:

14. RadiantCowbells

(see title of this section)


UNVOTE:
VOTE: JacobSavage

[MC Maraca]

Angryfratbros deserves rope. Dude replaced into a slot that bailed out very early in the game. Townies don't tend to bail that early. They see what shakes out, read, and dive back in as time allows. Scum however has a team counting on them, working a strategy, and there's more pressure on a scum slot to be involved/present.

I can't find the thread at the moment, and I can go find it if you insist, but there's a statistical study done here on mafiascum that shows the rate of replace-outs done by each alignment and each day of a game. It was a year-long study IIRC. It found no connection between alignment and replacement rate until the later days, around day 5 or so, where town replaces out more often than scum. So your entire train of thought here is based upon a false foundation.

Furthermore, what makes yessiree a better vote than Bros, in your mind? Seeing as how you're not voting for them at all.

[sangres]

what I don't have enough conviction you say?

VOTE: TheIrishPope

is this enough conviction for you?

not enough?

VOTE: TheIrishPope

better?

not really, no. if you substitute that townie's name for jacobsavage's, though. then we might have some progress.

Ok I've done a quick read of Lucid dreamers, its my only game with Caled which I remember and she was scum in it.
She lurked pretty hard through that game too

VOTE: Caled

And you didn't compare this to a town game because...

Because he's lazy, probably.

(It's rare for me to not have an opinion of sakura, but this is that time. She's very... distant form the game so far.)

I agree.
I'm concerned that all of your scumspects seem to be easy targets, although the JS target is a fantastic one.