NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[goodmorning]

see, that last votecount was so lazy i couldn't even be bothered to write something original about how lazy i am

Votecount 1.43

RadiantCowbells [L-4] - MC Maraca, TheIrishPope, RadiantCowbells, Cephrir, orcinus_theoriginal

Angry Frat BROs [L-5] - likeabauss, Toomai, Hermy, PeregrineV

orcinus_theoriginal [L-6] - Sakura Hana, sangres, Guyett

JacobSavage [L-8] - yessiree

likeabauss [L-8] - Angry Frat BROs

Not Voting [4] - JacobSavage, caledfwitch, MVP

With 17 alive, it takes

9

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-11-20 09:39:00)

[Cephrir]

I, like my avatar, suck early and scale well into late game.

Doesn't she actually do the opposite of that v.v

[MC Maraca]

I, like my avatar, suck early and scale well into late game.

Doesn't she actually do the opposite of that v.v

I was gonna say, level one jungle annie is a thing for teamfights. 'Dat W.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not at all. Annie's late game is absolutely fantastic. She's actually weakest levels 4 and 5.


With regards to this game, I can't keep up with 17 people.

If I'm still alive when the game gets smaller, I'll be a lot more useful. Otherwise, no hard feelings if I'm getting lynched today.

[Cephrir]

Couldn't you at least *try*? Focus on two or three players if you have to?

[RadiantCowbells]

I have a strong scumread on Frat Br0s.

I have a mild townread on TIP.

I have a mild townread on Likeabauss.

[RadiantCowbells]

Everyone else is null to me.

[Guyett]

Wtf is going on with RC?!?

[RadiantCowbells]

IDK mate.

I thought I was pretty obviously town, guess I was wrong :v

[likeabauss]

Can we please wtf unvote RC? What's happening?

Is town too blind to see that a probable reason we cant lynch either FratBros or Orcinus is because townies have divided between the two wagons?

C'mon people. FratBros or Orcinus. I'm literally begging for votes, so confident I'll do the 1 v 1 thing, and consistently laying out more and more reasons why these two are scum. Their responses are "UR Shitlord" and or "BS prove it." I mean, is this an acceptable defense in anybody's mind? You dont have to buy into my psychobabble to see that something is seriously wrong with their play.

I'm not going any farther on my Rank read. I don't give a crap how many times anybody asks. I said why several times. He's not even in this game anymore, and aside from that we have players who know Orcinus who are actually scum reading his play.

Lastly Cephrir, why on Gods green earth would you vote for somebody on D1 that is a policy lynch or whatever, when you have two other options that both yield way more info to town? I don't need you to like me, and you can attack my cases all you want, but hanging between FratBoys and Orcinus right now does far more for town than a PL on RC.

[Cephrir]

Because I think they are town, and they're useful given the assumption that I am correct.

It's not entirely a policy lynch, RC is null for me compared to two players I'm townreading to various degrees. Least of three evils, if you will.

I'm not going any farther on my Rank read. I don't give a crap how many times anybody asks. I said why several times. He's not even in this game anymore, and aside from that we have players who know Orcinus who are actually scum reading his play.

See, I saw what you said, and this is bullshit. You don't want to screw over your friend metawise, but here you are making a meta-based argument which if true would do precisely that. If Rank's slot did flip scum, this argument would become pretty valid and whether or not you cite these games would not be relevant to whether or not others could use this against him in the future, all they'd have to do would be to cite this game.

[likeabauss]

See, I saw what you said, and this is bullshit. You don't want to screw over your friend metawise, but here you are making a meta-based argument which if true would do precisely that. If Rank's slot did flip scum, this argument would become pretty valid and whether or not you cite these games would not be relevant to whether or not others could use this against him in the future, all they'd have to do would be to cite this game.

Completely disagree. Rank is an experienced player. He would/could knowingly manipulate instances of a certain behavior in his game history to throw off reads based on the same. Your meta based argument is flawed, as follows:

You're saying (along with a huge majority of the player base on this board):
1) Player Joe in game 1234 was of alignment scum and did X.
2) In future games, Player Joe, doing x again, indicates the same alignment.

I'm saying:
1) Player Joe in game 1234 was of alignment scum and did X.
2) Player Joe knows he did it, and knows that you know he did it.
3) Player Joe mucks your read up next game because he replicates the behavior (or avoids the behavior as the case may be) thereby masking the tell.

If every game I'm town, I rage like a maniac and death tunnel a player... don't you think I could draw a scum alignment and knowingly rage like a maniac and death tunnel a player? I'm not a moron. I can review and understand my own play and make refinements and behavioral changes accordingly.

Why do very few people on this board understand this theory?

Here's another example: Somebody said FratBros only rages and loses control when he's town, he's generally a very level headed scum player (I think it was Nacho.) You cannot operate on the assumption that FratBros always plays level headed and cool when he draws a scum role. If you do, you're handicapping yourself as a player when reading FratBros (because one day he'll rage like a maniac as scum and fool you.) This is why I look at BEHAVIORS and ACTIONS in the current game. They are real. You can point to them and analyze them, determine what the player is actually trying to do. Are the maneuvers pro-town? Do they correspond with what the player is saying? Do they correspond with what the player is actually doing?

Cephrir, what do you make of my behavioral challenge to Cabd in post 1282. Let's use that as a point of discussion to move forward with... Does the logic behind my suspicion there make sense to you?

[RadiantCowbells]

In support of Bauss, FratBros doesn't look angry.

He looks like he's making a show of being angry, without any genuine anger behind it, hence my vote.

[PeregrineV]

Let me go through this playerlist.

1. MC Maraca (hydra of Mara and certainly not Cabd): we are ok with an orci lynch holy fucking why
3. Sakura Hana: can somebody TELL ME why I'm wrong on this read it's driving me nuts
4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): what the fuck nacho is high on i do not know
5. JacobSavage: lurking shitsack
7. caledfwitch: lurking shitsack
9. likeabauss: It's a rock that talks.
12. Hermy: lurking shitsack
13. PeregrineV: lurking shitsack
14. RadiantCowbells: lurking shitsack
15. Toomai:lurking shitsack
16. yessiree*: shitsack
17. TheIrishPope: useless with a smug sense of condescending ignorance

I think my feelings are hurt.

Vote: Orcinus

[PeregrineV]

Can we please wtf unvote RC? What's happening?

Is town too blind to see that a probable reason we cant lynch either FratBros or Orcinus is because townies have divided between the two wagons?

C'mon people. FratBros or Orcinus. I'm literally begging for votes, so confident I'll do the 1 v 1 thing, and consistently laying out more and more reasons why these two are scum. Their responses are "UR Shitlord" and or "BS prove it." I mean, is this an acceptable defense in anybody's mind? You dont have to buy into my psychobabble to see that something is seriously wrong with their play.

I'm not going any farther on my Rank read. I don't give a crap how many times anybody asks. I said why several times. He's not even in this game anymore, and aside from that we have players who know Orcinus who are actually scum reading his play.

Lastly Cephrir, why on Gods green earth would you vote for somebody on D1 that is a policy lynch or whatever, when you have two other options that both yield way more info to town? I don't need you to like me, and you can attack my cases all you want, but hanging between FratBoys and Orcinus right now does far more for town than a PL on RC.

Do you have any previously given reasons (you or anybody) about why either of these two are scum?

[likeabauss]

Do you have any previously given reasons (you or anybody) about why either of these two are scum?

On FratBros:
842
1048
1319

On Rank/Orcinus:
597
831
1059

[likeabauss]

Alright, so at this point, the FratBros lynch is failing. I'll shift over to Orcinus, but with all due respect I'd like to reserve my vote for the hammer.

Yessiree, Orcinus? Help me rally it up and bang it out? I burned a lot of stock pushing on FratBros.

TIP will you go back over to him?

RC, you too?

[Toomai]

15. Toomai:lurking shitsack

Is a consistent ~1.0 posts per day not good enough for you? As of this post I have 1,291 things that need doing on my primary website, some of which no one else in the world is capable of doing, and I had a graduation in the past week. Shut up.

I, like my avatar, suck early and scale well into late game.

That doesn't mean you can phone it in.

Alright, so at this point, the FratBros lynch is failing.

Vote: orcinus_theoriginal

Also, at least one guy who voted RC in the last 24 hours is scum, just so we're clear.

[Guyett]

Also, at least one guy who voted RC in the last 24 hours is scum, just so we're clear.

I agree. That wagon made no sense

[PeregrineV]

Also, at least one guy who voted RC in the last 24 hours is scum, just so we're clear.

If you listed who voted him in the last 24 hours and gave thoughts on those people, it would become even more clearer.

[PeregrineV]

Do you have any previously given reasons (you or anybody) about why either of these two are scum?

On FratBros:
842
1048
1319

On Rank/Orcinus:
597
831
1059

This is what I like. You can be protected town. Check your mailbox for a 1-shot BP vest tonight.

[RadiantCowbells]

Does anyone else not see that FratBros being this hard to lynch makes him obvious scum?

[Toomai]

Also, at least one guy who voted RC in the last 24 hours is scum, just so we're clear.

If you listed who voted him in the last 24 hours and gave thoughts on those people, it would become even more clearer.

Yeah okay.

• MC Maraca in 1364. I don't blame this vote. MCM has been harping RC to do stuff all game with no result.
• TheIrishPope in 1365. I know several people are meta-reading TIP as town, but I lack that knowledge. This, as his third vote of the game, does not help; he'd stated earlier he liked RC for town, and nowhere in his ISO do I see his opinion on RC changing.
• RadiantCowbells in 1366. Yet more obfuscating stupidity.
• Cephrir in 1368. I currently feel that Cephrir is town because of how willing he is to call out what he doesn't like about the current gamestate; I don't think he's scummy for this vote because he's been saying he doesn't like any other active wagon.
• orcinus_theoriginal in 1370. In a vacuum I think this guy has been null if not slightly scummy, gut feeling more than anything.

[yessiree]

making scums feel miserable is my specialty

...
We have

5

lurkers and nothing is being done about them

Let me go through this playerlist.

1. MC Maraca (hydra of Mara and certainly not Cabd): we are ok with an orci lynch holy fucking why
3. Sakura Hana: can somebody TELL ME why I'm wrong on this read it's driving me nuts
4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): what the fuck nacho is high on i do not know

5. JacobSavage: lurking shitsack

7. caledfwitch: lurking shitsack

9. likeabauss: It's a rock that talks.

12. Hermy: lurking shitsack

13. PeregrineV: lurking shitsack

14. RadiantCowbells: lurking shitsack

15. Toomai:lurking shitsack

16. yessiree*: shitsack
17. TheIrishPope: useless with a smug sense of condescending ignorance

the fact that you can't count bothers me

[Guyett]

The fact I'm not on his list bothers me