NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Cephrir]

Other than that you're town, not much.

[Cephrir]

I am too hesitant to lynch investigative claims though, I know this. sangres, convince me to ignore my better judgement?

[yessiree]

It's not uncommon for scum to claim town PR when they are ran up. You cannot be certain orc's claim is genuine.

This claim also injects the element of WIFOM into our judgement, as I don't see the authenticity of it.

If you want to convince people otherwise, you'd have to show that his play is in line with being a town cop.

[sangres]

I am too hesitant to lynch investigative claims though, I know this. sangres, convince me to ignore my better judgement?

I caught up a little while ago and I'm feeling pretty torn. Nacho put the vote down as a reaction test. I've reached out repeatedly since then, and the response has been...meh. I remember getting put off several times in ny165 before he really engaged. But, this is different. It's not happening in the middle of an overall holding pattern in the game.

Nacho says he'll be online later tonight.

UNVOTE: Orcinus

I want time for him to review the last few pages and see what he thinks of Orci's play and claim.

[sangres]

rank's meta doesn't support your claim which is why you've refused to provide it despite it being the obviously townie thing to do

so that's why you're slinging mud on me and asking me to be lynched second because when i flip town you have no excuse anymore

i've fooled myself for long enough

VOTE: bauss

this vote took far too long.

I have never seen you like this in a game. :/

I have never had a game like this.

VOTE: rc

I am too hesitant to lynch investigative claims though, I know this. sangres, convince me to ignore my better judgement?

I feel confident about my read. Ffery said she was concerned because she felt like orcinus has been ignoring her reach outs for the greater part of the day. We WERE looking for some broad strokes analysis from him, but so far I see nothing that even looks close to the sort. I'd like to give him some time for some actual analysis though, and not the shit he's put forward in thread so far.

[caledfwitch]

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

[JacobSavage]

You know what I see.

I see bus getting over excited over the chance of lynch a cop.

VOTE: Buss

[MC Maraca]

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Let me fix that for you:

I want to cast doubt on this claim in case the lynch swings that way, but I'm worried I might get heat for actually attacking him. I'll just post here and test the waters to see how town swings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caled

[Sakura Hana]

I agree with Cabd

Unvote
Vote: caled

[caledfwitch]

I don't need your sass, it means what it means.

Sakura I don't like you just mindlessly sheeping cabd

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura I don't like you just mindlessly sheeping cabd

And I don't like you posturing and sitting on the fence.

[Cephrir]

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Let me fix that for you:

I want to cast doubt on this claim in case the lynch swings that way, but I'm worried I might get heat for actually attacking him. I'll just post here and test the waters to see how town swings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caled

This is actually a pretty good argument.

[caledfwitch]

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Let me fix that for you:

I want to cast doubt on this claim in case the lynch swings that way, but I'm worried I might get heat for actually attacking him. I'll just post here and test the waters to see how town swings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caled

If you've actually learned anything useful you will know that input from various sources is needed, so here's another viewpoint:

Orc sounds kind of scummy but as said before I am absolutely convinced that Guyett is scum and I'm not moving my vote anytime soon.

My meta will reveal that I only vote when absolutely convinced of someone's guilt, and rarely move said vote.

[yessiree]

wtf is this shit?

VOTE: caledfwitch

[likeabauss]

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Let me fix that for you:

I want to cast doubt on this claim in case the lynch swings that way, but I'm worried I might get heat for actually attacking him. I'll just post here and test the waters to see how town swings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caled

This is actually a pretty good argument.

Yeah, it kinda reminds me of this one:

I am too hesitant to lynch investigative claims though, I know this. sangres, convince me to ignore my better judgement?

"I know right? Like, I want to lynch it, but I'm hesitant. Blargh. Somebody talk me into/out of it please?"

[likeabauss]

wtf is this shit?

VOTE: caledfwitch

Its a carefully crafted redirect onto an easy to lynch lurker, designed to save the fake claimed scum and enable future WIFOM like whoa.

VOTE: Orcinus

Let's stop the madness.

[Cephrir]

You realize those two quotes literally say opposite things from one another, right?

[Angry Frat BROs]

Ceph, looks like you get to join the club of people Bauss constantly misreps looking to strongarm lurkers into a mislynch.

Welcome to the club.

Yessiree and Bauss coming out immediately to try to strongarm town into pushing the mislynch is scummy, ftr. Bauss's insistence on posting high-level conjecture about Rank's play, while not addressing Orc's play with substance, is scummy.

Caled's fencesitting looks like newbscum.

TIP's vote jump is awkward as fuck, and looks scummy, but it wouldn't work with yessiree/bauss's push for the lynch.

Sakura Hana looking super-town these past few pages.

[goodmorning]

so I'm on V/LA for a couple days

maybe this should go at the bottom of this post but guess what?

STILL LAZY

Votecount 1.49

orcinus_theoriginal [L-6] - Guyett, PeregrineV, likeabauss

RadiantCowbells [L-6] - RadiantCowbells, Cephrir, orcinus_theoriginal

caledfwitch [L-6] - MC Maraca, Sakura Hana, yessiree

likeabauss [L-7] - Angry Frat BROs, JacobSavage

Angry Frat BROs [L-8] - Hermy

Guyett [L-8] - caledfwitch

Not Voting [4] - MVP, TheIrishPope, Toomai, sangres

With 17 alive, it takes

9

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-11-20 09:39:00)

[Cephrir]

UNVOTE:

My vote is currently pointless. I don't know what to do with it right now though.

[yessiree]

If Orc flips scum, I'm thinking TIP partner. His "claim now bro" looks like coaching a

scumbuddy

*not* to get derphammered, and then blowing Guyett's reaction-test looks like trying to make sure Orc doesn't have a shit reaction.

Orc's last few pages have been meh; I was expecting a lot more after he got back from V/LA.

Intent to hammer here.

...
Yessiree and Bauss coming out immediately to try to strongarm town into pushing the

mislynch

is scummy, ftr. Bauss's insistence on posting high-level conjecture about Rank's play, while not addressing Orc's play with substance, is scummy.

...

TIP's vote jump is awkward as fuck, and looks scummy, but it wouldn't work with yessiree/bauss's push for the lynch.

Sakura Hana looking super-town these past few pages.

A blunt transition from Intention to hammer a

scumread

to defending a perceived

mislynch

my townread on you is diminishing

[RadiantCowbells]

Why don't you put your vote back on BR0s then ^_^

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I was going to do this later tonight, but ok

Tonight I'll be trying to get to everything in this thread. I just want to open up to talk about the most frustrating aspect of this game though.

Really and truly it felt like I'm trying to play with a village that had a fucking stupid agenda. I mean, let's recap what's happened in this game.

1) Bauss comes out stating I'm scum. I don't have a problem with that. But there is no goddamn case on me.

I've asked him plenty of times for his evidence for his meta. He has provided none. Cephrir has asked him. He's provided none. Why are people agreeing to a case that is so blatantly made up?

2) I jump on sakura for being obvscum. She OMGUSs. People then proceed to discredit my case without a smidgeon of reasoning why. Closest that came was MVP who said "Oh yeah she does this as town too"

well thanks then how are you supposed to read people if not for doing scummy shit

3) People just keep sheeping bauss. I mean I just don't fucking get it dude. I don't. And I have never been trollwagoned like this before. Never have I been bought to L-1 on a fucking invisible case. Ever.

I mean, here are the steps to my wagon. 1) Drive a serious wagon on orci 2) ignore his request to know the reasoning behind his wagon 3) vote him more when he yells

I mean seriously what the hell

It's my first game back and I'm stuck with this shit.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Regarding recent pages: I thought TIP was town coming into this but I guess not? Feels to me like immature scum trying to holler at his scumbuddies to quickhammer. The last few pages should be pretty instrumental in determining alignments at lylo.

I feel confident about my read. Ffery said she was concerned because she felt like orcinus has been ignoring her reach outs for the greater part of the day. We WERE looking for some broad strokes analysis from him, but so far I see nothing that even looks close to the sort. I'd like to give him some time for some actual analysis though, and not the shit he's put forward in thread so far.

Hey asshole. If you're going to post shit like ISO 119-121, don't expect me to do jack for your approval in the game.

Bauss' initial reaction was silly as fuck and then he made a post correcting his trajectory. So aside from acting deliberately anti-town with my wagon that was weird. I didn't think he was scum before because someone was actually talking to me a while back about bauss being really bad as town, but I'm starting to feel like this isn't just bad town anymore. I didn't have that much of a problem with his posts before his awkward as fuck reactions.

On the note of bauss, his attempts to make yesiree his sheep are shitty as fuck. I mean,

Yessiree, we played together in Open 517 and we caught scum D1 on some simple nuance. Reread D1 there, look at what we bagged uncledaphne on. Sheep me on FratBros? I've got far more on him than we did on uncledaphne that game.

What the hell

I mean tbh bauss is like the devil child of varsoon and mastin which is fucking terrifying

But yeah I have to look over buass later tonight. My posts won't be too structured. I'm doing this while watching OGN.

[Guyett]

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Let me fix that for you:

I want to cast doubt on this claim in case the lynch swings that way, but I'm worried I might get heat for actually attacking him. I'll just post here and test the waters to see how town swings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caled

This is actually a pretty good argument.

Why not join the wagon then?
I also think it is a great argument

VOTE: Caled