Open 535: Enemy of My Enemy

[erneiz_hyde]

I don't think we'd automatically lose even at 4/2/2. The 4 scums are from 2 different factions so we can't just straightly assume scum=4.
If we continue to assume worst case after 6/2/2, it'd become 3/2/2 but it shouldn't be game over yet. Because if then a miracle happens (correct lynch, and the 2 scum factions kill each other), it could still become 3/1...oh wait...

Will the scum night kill still fire even if they end up killed by the other side? If it does fire, then I'm guessing not even 3/2/2 is MyLo...

I'm seriously confused now, I'm not used to 3 factions game. Can someone clarify how this works?

[RationalMadman]

can they even joint?

[RationalMadman]

I hope not

[thenewearth]

Vote Count

Team 9 (0) -
hattah (0) -
T S O (1) - RationalMadman
TvK (0) -
RationalMadman (0) -
Daniel Bryan (1) - beastcharizard
beastcharizard (1) - erneiz_hyde
Agent Minnesota (2) - Daniel Bryan BwBurke
erneiz_hyde (1) - Agent Minnesota
Banakai (0) -
Jordan_Downey (1) - Shockwave Rider
BwBurke (4) - TvK, T S O, Team 9, Jordan_Downey
Shockwave Rider (0) -

Not Voting - hattah, Banakai

hattah never picked up his role PM
Searching for replacement

[Team 9]

Obviously no townies are ever going to get investigation results since the investigation roles aren't compulsive, so from the town's point of view this is a straight 2:2:9 setup.

I disagree. Not only could scum send out results to strong town players that are good at building cases, but results will have to come towards the town when either goon is lynched or NK'ed.

VOTE: BwBurke

Is this serious or not?

-Wriggle

[T S O]

It's pretty obvious to me.

[BwBurke]

Worst possible scenario is 6/2/2, yes.

Let me take me through my reasoning.

Town lynches correctly, 6/2/1.
Nightkills occur, 4/2/1.
Town lynches correctly, 4/1/1.
Nightkills occur, 2/1/1.

Town can't win at 2/1/1 unless the scum kill each other the next night. So it's actually mislynch-and-dilemma (mydo?), not mislynch-and-lose. Sorry for confusing you.

[T S O]

meh you presume no crossfire, no PR stuff, no scumteam eliminated etc.

you can't really spec whatsoever

[TvK]

UNVOTE: beastcharizard, VOTE: TvK

Don't take it personally, this is still random vote stage. It's an OMGUS vote, but the vote's only on you until you explain why a solo scum would clear someone as town by investigating them.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Agent Minnesota for not knowing that beastcharizard is original Charizard.

Phew, I got away with it.

Do you think a single scum seer/cop would not want try to give scum results to strong town players?

[RationalMadman]

Do you think a single scum seer/cop would not want try to give scum results to strong town players?

Of course I don't! ?!

[RationalMadman]

Do you think a single scum seer/cop would not want try to give scum results to strong town players?

Of course I

DO

! ?!

[Banakai]

wait so cops/seers can give there results?

[BwBurke]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Banakai for not knowing the setup. Seriously, it's at the top of the first page...

[RationalMadman]

UNVOTE: T S O[/vote]VOTE: Banakai
FAKE DUMBTELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[RationalMadman]

UNVOTE: T S OVOTE: Banakai
FAKE DUMBTELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[Team 9]

Now if you guys are done setup talks, we can get some serious business going and wagon this nervous/cautious scumfuck BwB who just had to over-explain that he was making an RVS vote, felt a need to make an RVS vote twice, and just made a vote with a terrible reasoning.

-Cirno

[Team 9]

done with*

[beastcharizard]

I would be more willing to vote Banakai than BwB. I have to agree that Banakai's post is not good at all. I am also interested in seeing how they explain it away.

[Team 9]

speaking of the setup, town can still win at 3/2/2 without even lynching a single scum
3/2/2 -> 2/2/2 lynch -> 2/1/1 NKs -> 1/1/1 lynch -> 1/0/0 NKs
so even if we mislynch, we shouldn't worry too much atm ~

-Mystia

[Team 9]

I would be more willing to vote Banakai than BwB. I have to agree that Banakai's post is not good at all. I am also interested in seeing how they explain it away.

Then why not vote him?

-Cirno

[beastcharizard]

Because I want to see Banakai's explanation.

[TvK]

I never played with RationalMadman, but is he always like this?

[Team 9]

I never played with RationalMadman, but is he always like this?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 4&sr=posts

-Wriggle

[erneiz_hyde]

@MOD: confirm please, will scum NK still fire when he is a target of NK himself?

OK, with that out of the way...

UNVOTE

Because we're out of RVS.

I'm currently more suspicious of BwB than Banakai. Seems to me like he created a bait to divert attention away from him, which the unsuspecting Madman took and Charizard gently pushing it as his secret buddy.
But I would still like to see Banakai's explanation on his accusation.

Btw Madman, try not to be too haphazard with your posts. carefully edit and look at the preview before hitting the Submit button. You're too much of a liability with that much omgus baiting.

[Shockwave Rider]

BwB is probably town. His thinking about the worst case scenarios is classic paranoid town.

Who's scum? I have no idea yet.