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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:53 am

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In post 522, morph the cat wrote:Nope. I was very confused by the disconnects, though and had to go back and reread the rules.
nope. you admitted that you discussed the setup with cabd before the game, and you even talked with him about what mafia role to vote after it had started. theres no way all this took place with you having not understood the setup.

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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:54 am

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In post 523, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:
In post 522, morph the cat wrote:He was definitely pressuring me and I was cooperating fully and openly in my answers because any off note or caution would have been obvious to him. Nacho knows that I hate to lie as scum and will, rather than answer the question asked, go off on a tangent a little that lets me keep to truthful statements. That didn't happen here, and in fact I made statements that I usually won't make even as town because I don't like or trust statements that boil down to "I am town" from other players and I avoid them myself. I realized partway through that discussion, particularly the part about why I didn't go after him assuming he's scum for misreading me, that I was making statements that boiled down to "I am town".
what youre saying here is that you are aware of what nacho wants to see and you are aware of what you do as town or scum. that means that as scum, you would know what to say to appease nacho. of course its not easy, which explains the lagging.

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No. But, the fact that you take that away from my paragraph tells me all I need to know about your ability to read me. I can't emulate what nacho looks for when he's sorting me. I failed miserably at it in the xenogears game. In the xenologue game, I got past him by never rousing his suspicions in the first place. This game marks a first, I think, where he had a solid but incorrect scumread on me. I could hope that a detailed exchange would prove him wrong, but there is simply no way that I could do it as scum. Maybe one day my scum game will be that good, but I doubt it.
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:55 am

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In post 524, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:
In post 522, morph the cat wrote:Being known as slow to vote at times as town is convenient when I'm scum, but it's a prominent feature of my town game, to the point where putting an early vote down garners suspicion among players who know my town game.
if that was the case, you would answer "because i dont want to vote now" or something similar to pieguy's question. you had no reason to bring up all the "we are a team" bullshit. the reason you did is to make it more believable and draw less attention than you would draw with such an answer.

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Nope. My hydra games are littered with similar comments.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:57 am

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In post 525, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:
In post 522, morph the cat wrote:Nope. I was very confused by the disconnects, though and had to go back and reread the rules.
nope. you admitted that you discussed the setup with cabd before the game, and you even talked with him about what mafia role to vote after it had started. theres no way all this took place with you having not understood the setup.

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Nope. We talked a little bit about the roles and what the interactions would be, but not the detailed mechanics. As per our usual division of labor, my focus is reads and his is mechanics.
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:20 am

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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:18 am

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In post 470, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:Enabling rolecop would force scum to have to actually kill the PR. we have a back-up, so even if they find it we will still have another PR and, it'll take two days for them to find/kill the PR at best.
no rolecop means that scum give information N1
In post 479, morph the cat wrote:Skelda what are your reads?
let's just lynch him
In post 489, Sakura Hana wrote:Currently I dont have any actual scumreads, but I got 3 nulls which are Neo, Skelda, and Arnold. So i'm hoping to get some information there.
^good reads
In post 499, morph the cat wrote:Not yet, not putting Skelda at L-1. I want to see more from both Neonizer and Skelda.

Cabd's still working on an analysis of the PR permutations, too.
PRs don't matter because my day play is OP
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:46 am

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When Cabd wakes up I'll make him spit out our role votes and we'll put a vote down on Skelda.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:08 am

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Neonizer has failed to post in thread within 24 hours of the prod thus he will be replaced.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:23 am

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In post 297, pieguyn wrote:dodging my question ok

that question doesn't make any sense. you think I'm scum because you haven't seen play that's "totally different" than one of my scumgames? why does my towngame have to me totally different? rather than comparing to my towngames, this seems like you're just selectively applying meta to get whatever result you want

assuming you've finished reading, mind explaining why I'm scummy?

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do you know something I don't <_>
Hi, I'm Mara.

That question should make more sense now.

I've made it pretty clear that, at that point, I had just started reading. said I was scum reading you, because your play was similar to Kanye's game and I only got
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trying to read up, while responding usually leads to missing a question or two

Bertnut is town, based on initial vibes they were giving off.

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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:25 am

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meanwhile, I'm still not seeing anything different from how you approached Kanye's game and, you're response to me asking if you're play is going to be different from your scum game isn't all that comforting.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:30 am

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In post 526, morph the cat wrote:I could hope that a detailed exchange would prove him wrong, but there is simply no way that I could do it as scum. Maybe one day my scum game will be that good, but I doubt it.
hmm...
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:32 am

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and, Pie?

I did say I was crazy when I came up with those numbers.

I play alot of mini games, havn't touched a micro in a long while, same with larges, so, three scum is basically the norm for me.

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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:35 am

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In post 535, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:
In post 526, morph the cat wrote:I could hope that a detailed exchange would prove him wrong, but there is simply no way that I could do it as scum. Maybe one day my scum game will be that good, but I doubt it.
hmm...
I don't claim to be an expert on all my tendencies as town or as scum. But I do know pretty much what my limitations are as both.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:39 am

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also, why is Skelda scum, and Neon null while both of them are the same content and activity wise?

Pedit: I'm trying to think if that's more me-esque or more, Tammy-esque.
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:23 am

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Hanasawa replaces Neonizer effective immediately.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:26 am

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9 Players are alive. This math relies on the most likely case that we lynch a vanilla townie today. (A PR for PR trade is in town's favor with only two scum in the game on day one; so any non-vanilla claim can be CC'd) Given the micro nature of this game, a single missed kill only gives us a day of no lynching into lylo; not an actualy extra day. Therefore I feel it's best to maximize information over kill saving. The following math is rough and may leave out certain complications, if it does, feel free to amend it.

Four options today: Jailkeeper-Roleblocker; Jailkeeper-Rolecop; Doctor-Roleblocker; Doctor-Rolecop

8 Alive: 4 VT, 1 Town PR, 1 town backup, 1 scum PR, 1 scum backup:

Jailkeeper-Roleblocker: Odds of blocking a kill are 2 in 8 (hitting either the killer or the target) minus 1/6 (since scum won't roleblock themselves or their partner)

Jailkeeper-Rolecop: Odds of blocking kill are 2 in 8 (hitting either the killer or the target) minus the (1/6-1/8) chance that scum kills the PR (since you can't JK yourself) Either way, scum gets information about power roles in the setup at a 7/8ths chance (only fails if jailkept themselves)

Doctor-Roleblocker: Odds of preventing a kill are 1/7 (cannot self protect) minus the 1/6th chance that they are roleblocked anyways (in other words, if both parties fire randomly, the chance of a save approaches zero)

Doctor-Rolecop: Odds of preventing a kill are 1/7th, and the scum is 100% assured to get information about the setup.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:53 am

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Our preference is this:

Enable Jailkeeper

Enable Roleblocker
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:01 pm

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I think you're forgetting about the JK and RB targeting each other scenario, morph.

Let me get reading... Poker in an hour too.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:08 pm

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In post 542, Hanasawa wrote:I think you're forgetting about the JK and RB targeting each other scenario, morph.

Let me get reading... Poker in an hour too.
According to the rules, the RB takes precedence over the JK. I think that scenario is in the math.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:10 pm

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In post 540, morph the cat wrote:minus 1/6 (since scum won't roleblock themselves or their partner)
This is the chance scum roleblocker hits the jailkeeper and is accounted for.
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:15 pm

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morph you're doing it wrong

JK/RB: 5/6 (not being roleblocked) * 2/8 (JK killer or target)
Doc/RB: 5/6 * 1/7

don't use subtraction there that's not how it works
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:15 pm

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holy wow I had guessed you were Mara
In post 534, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:meanwhile, I'm still not seeing anything different from how you approached Kanye's game and, you're response to me asking if you're play is going to be different from your scum game isn't all that comforting.
how is 6 pages enough to sort my alignment, when your reason is "there's nothing different"? do you think it's not possible that it just happened to match by coincidence?

what makes the way I'm playing in this game similar to the way I played in kayne's game?
In post 538, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:also, why is Skelda scum, and Neon null while both of them are the same content and activity wise?

Pedit: I'm trying to think if that's more me-esque or more, Tammy-esque.
his opportunsitic as fuck jump on me

others (or at least Nacho) have also said that the first sentence in that post doesn't seem genuine
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:16 pm

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hi Lilac <3
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:19 pm

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Oh, Lily's here, nice.
I bloom in spring?
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:31 pm

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Hi lilac!

Skelda, I see you and would love a claim. Avoiding the thread is bad.

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