Really the only losing situation here is peabody fakeclaiming cop which would be professional grade. If ffery is town and I die tonight, don't buy into this rushed nonsense again.
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Its fine. There's a few things I'm really not excited about in the dance of lies but ffery's c/p on CTD's pretty clean crumb shores that up.
Really the only losing situation here is peabody fakeclaiming cop which would be professional grade. If ffery is town and I die tonight, don't buy into this rushed nonsense again.
Unvote, Vote: ffery-
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Yeah, I don't see any alternative to my lynch really, given the lay of the game.
The crumb does make me feel marginally better about yates.-
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You know that I'm going to flip town. The problem is figuring who actually is lying, and we can't effectively do that unless town as a whole is willing to make the effort and willing to look at the whole game, not just this day's claims.In post 1575, SpyreX wrote:Its fine. There's a few things I'm really not excited about in the dance of lies but ffery's c/p on CTD's pretty clean crumb shores that up.
Really the only losing situation here is peabody fakeclaiming cop which would be professional grade. If ffery is town and I die tonight, don't buy into this rushed nonsense again.
Unvote, Vote: ffery
The crumb does make me feel better, though it's possible that CDB had a fake claim in mind from early on. I have one prior game with him where he was vanilla town. I have no idea if such a plan would fit the parameters of his scum game.
I hope my flip brings some clarity to the game and sets up a town win tomorrow. Good luck.
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I'm still t town. ctd or garmr I guess.-
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yeah, so I guess nobody wants to talk to the townie you just lynched. So, Peabody was off my wagon. I guess it's a gazillion to one chance he's not not the cop. That was the Kaze slot, and I had him as town from pretty early on.
So yeah. Without that crumb of CDB's I'd still be thinking 50% chance Yates is lying. With the crumb, though, not so much. CTD and garmr are in the frame.-
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If it's spyrex SK, my heart will break and I will cry bitter tears and never look upon kuribo's flowchart again. Seeing Empire dead on day 2, though, that was perhaps the high point of this game for me.-
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regrets uncounted
time pauses, then flows onward
requiem for BP.-
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Sorry I was not very present in the last day phase. If I were there, I'd have slowed down the Fferyllt lynch. It was too fast for me.
CTD came back as 'not guilty'.
If Spyrex is the SK, town already lost. I'm going to give the town the benefit of the doubt and say we haven't lost yet. Scum is between Garmr and CTD. My question for CTD is why you were PMing the mod in the first place?
Also, please, no one vote yet.-
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Peabody would like to point out that we already had a flipped Roleblocker and a grunt do you think a god father is likely for this set up. Also another reason I asked for spyrex to kill ctb and you to investigate yates or vice versa was if we had two kills he would be proven innocent automatically and we wouldn't be in this mess.-
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I'm confident we have a godfather. The reason I chose CTD is because if Yates was scum, he would not have died today and we'd probably have lynched him.
It works out balance-wise as well. The vigilante is meant to be the most powerful role in this setup, I'm assuming. Cop will be the second most powerful, and because we have an unlimited shot vigilante, Cop is nerfed by adding both a miller and a godfather. It makes sense.
As I said before, if Spyrex isn't the vigilante, he's the serial killer and we lose anyway.-
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Bragging rights. In theory I can still have them if Garmr is godfather. Not sure that's the most likely scenario.In post 1588, Peabody wrote:My question for CTD is why you were PMing the mod in the first place?
The reason we don't want to no-lynch is that Spyrex is still alive. Assuming he's a vig (which you do), that gives us two people to kill instead of one. You are not confirmed. It's also not true that town has necessarily lost if Spyrex is an SK. For as much thought as you seem to have into the situation, your arguments are pretty awful.In post 1592, Peabody wrote:No, we already know who the confirmed are. Me and Spyrex. Either of us will die tonight if we no lynch. So the lynch has to be between you two. CTD and Garmr.
I'd like to hear if I'm in anyway wrong.
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For these hypothetical set-ups, I'm assuming SK for Spyrex, godfather for Garmr (you may substitute myself, it doesn't make a difference), indeterminate for Peabody for scenarios in which they are scum.
The possibilities are:
Miller, 1-shot BP, doc, neighbor, cop, neighbor/vig + 4 vanilla townvs.godfather, roleblocker, goon
Miller, 1-shot BP, doc, neighbor, neighbor/vig + 5 vanilla townvs.roleblocker, goon, indeterminate
Miller, 1-shot BP, doc, neighbor, cop + 4 vanilla townvs.neighbor/SKvs.godfather, roleblocker, goon
Miller, 1-shot BP, doc, neighbor + 5 vanilla townvs.neighbor/SKvs.roleblocker, goon, indeterminate
Miller, 1-shot BP, doc, neighbor, cop + 5 vanilla townvs.neighbor/SKvs.roleblocker, goon
That should cover every possibility. For balance considerations, neighbor is roughly equivalent to vanilla town, though neighbor/vig is arguably slightly stronger than a straight vig (at least I believe most set-up designers think that).
Right of the bat, I think the bottom two variants can be discarded. Either the scum team is vastly underpowered or the town is. If Spyrex is an SK, Garmr is scum. The top two variants both look plausible at least. The combination of doc/cop/vig is arguably the most powerful combination of town power-roles and this set-up probably favors town in spite of mitigating factors (GF, miller, RB). The second variant is probably the most balanced if Peabody is a goon (or a weak scum PR).[i]Mgm laughed nervously, his cheeks flushing in the faintest of blushes. "Patrick... I only wanted to be with you... that's why I put the game to night, so Glork would get killed."[/i] - the heartwarming conclusion of Face to Face Mafia-
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There's no way to tell the real reason why we've been missing nightkills. It's plausible both on N2 and N3 that ffery was the scum target, more likely on N3. Unfortunately, that means Yates protecting me doesn't clear me. I assume Spyrex is going to claim to have shot Peabody last night.[i]Mgm laughed nervously, his cheeks flushing in the faintest of blushes. "Patrick... I only wanted to be with you... that's why I put the game to night, so Glork would get killed."[/i] - the heartwarming conclusion of Face to Face Mafia-
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Regardless of who we think is most likely that last mafiate (for me, it's obviously between Peabody and Garmr), the safe play is to lynch one of the claimed vanillas (i.e. Garmr or myself). This way, if Spyrex is an SK, he knows for certain who to shoot for reasons outlined above.
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I didn't shoot last night.
This is exactly how this plays out with a godfather and this:
Is the only avenue scum has.Garmr wrote:I still want to hear what ctd has to say through but I guess you make sense. Should we no lynch and make it 1 out 3 chance instead of a 1 out 4
There's only two ways town loses:
1.) Peabody is scum and wins due to awesome timing on his claim.
2.) We lynch the not scum vanilla claim AND they are bulletproof (I'm assuming not a double roleblocker nonsense setup).
Since I'd rather win on a lynch, my vote is for Garmr today. That is exactly what scum HAVE to say.-
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Blegh, this is the kind of post I didn't want to see from you, Spyrex. If you're that confident Garmr is scum, we can lynch Peabody.
I may end up wanting to lynch myself the way this is shaping up.[i]Mgm laughed nervously, his cheeks flushing in the faintest of blushes. "Patrick... I only wanted to be with you... that's why I put the game to night, so Glork would get killed."[/i] - the heartwarming conclusion of Face to Face Mafia-
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Why didn't you shoot Peabody? Simple, no-risk way to confirm Yates.[i]Mgm laughed nervously, his cheeks flushing in the faintest of blushes. "Patrick... I only wanted to be with you... that's why I put the game to night, so Glork would get killed."[/i] - the heartwarming conclusion of Face to Face Mafia
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