Pokemon X/Y Thread

[T S O]

But why would you ever use either ever ever?

I mean Heatran has an incredible movepool {Taunt/Lava Plume/FBlast/EPower/Toxic/Roar/Sub/MStorm/Protect} why would you ever use AP? Mindboggling.

[Natirasha]

Don't ask me, I don't even like Heatran. I'd go SR/Storm/Toxic+1 on a lead set.

[Brandi]

I have a friend's code.

Would like to know whick poke's she's packing, etc.

2852 8234 1392

I could add her if you like, but she'd have to add me as well for it to register her safari.

[Psyche]

darn it
okay, she will be duly informed

[Tragedy]

Heatran is in the game?

[Espeonage]

Pokebank it is.

[animorpherv1]

But why would you ever use either ever ever?

I mean Heatran has an incredible movepool {Taunt/Lava Plume/FBlast/EPower/Toxic/Roar/Sub/MStorm/Protect} why would you ever use AP? Mindboggling.

Because everyone with T-flame/Volcy either has Roost or a spinner/Defog, rendering not KO'ing them pointless.

[Espeonage]

Then win the balance struggle with better play.

Or run Earth Power, which is a much better move, hit Talon when it's roosting, and volc isn't breaking you like ever.

[animorpherv1]

I admittedly have Gliscor w/ Stone Edge for T-flame, but its nice to have a backup plan - I'm OK with Earth Power, I guess.

EDIT: On top of that, I've lost pretty much every match today solely because I'm the unluckiest bastard ever and everyone crits me all the time on every hit - anyone else want a free win?

[Brandi]

not too special really but Pokemon definitely continues to be a console seller.

[Patrick]

EDIT: On top of that, I've lost pretty much every match today solely because I'm the unluckiest bastard ever and everyone crits me all the time on every hit - anyone else want a free win?

That's the time to stop playing and do something else. Which is easier said than done.

[T S O]

when I lose two in a row I stop because I know that in my foul mood I'm more likely to go for the sweep straight off and good players shred you when you try that.

[Espeonage]

I'm getting super pissed at the people that run Headbutt Kangaskhan.

And Klefki is a bastard. Then again, I've got checks to all variants. Hazards one loses to my wish+spinner and Parafusion loses to Umbreon + Heatran if you bait the Twave on to Umbreon and break it's sub with something then switch to Heatran to KO it.

[animorpherv1]

Then again, I've got checks to all variants.

Mega Absol.

/done

[T S O]

you know what gimmick set I've always loved? Sturdy Magnezone with Custap, 252 SAtk Modest, Lock-On/HP Ice/Zap Cannon/Flash Cannon.

It doesn't always work, but when it does it's like BOOM

you could run HP Fire/Grass either I suppose, or you could use Sub over FC with Leftovers vs something like Ferro, but I think the original set possibly works the best

[T S O]

Zap Cannon just nukes everything.

[Natirasha]

Klefki loses to Defog Gliscor and Magic Coat Deoxys-D too. For that matter, its like strictly worse than Whimsicott to if you're not doing a spikes set.

Zap Cannon Magnezone is eeeeh.

[T S O]

Oh, I know it's gimmick as hell. Also it'll have easy counters no matter what the set.

[animorpherv1]

Yeah, I'm putting AncientPower back on Heatran thanks to the fact that I just got 6-0 swept in Pokebank (the one with Heatran in it) to a Volcarona when I 5-0'd everything else.

Not listening to anyone who says AP is shitty move, play with htis tema on Pokebank, then tell me otherwise:

Spoiler: TEAM

Absol @ Absolite
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naughty Nature
- Shadow Claw
- Sucker Punch
- Fire Blast
- Play Rough

Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd
Impish Nature
- Protect
- Substitute
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- King's Shield
- Shadow Sneak
- Sacred Sword
- Swords Dance

Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Surf
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SDef
Calm Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Protect
- Lava Plume
- Ancient Power

Rotom-Wash @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Trick

[Patrick]

Yeah, I'm putting AncientPower back on Heatran thanks to the fact that I just got 6-0 swept in Pokebank (the one with Heatran in it) to a Volcarona when I 5-0'd everything else.

Not listening to anyone who says AP is shitty move, play with htis tema on Pokebank, then tell me otherwise:

Hard to say exactly without knowing what the Volcarona was running, but if it went as you say I think you misplayed it. You have team preview so you know your opponent has a Volcarona, so make getting stealth rock up a priority. If it comes in at 50% health then revenge killing it with things like Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch becomes a lot easier, as it's quite frail on the physical side.

I'm not sure which team member it managed setup on, as it looks like most of your team can at least make life hard for it. If it does setup, then more aggressive sets with life orb should be worn down by a combination of smart switching and priority moves, whereas bulkier sets might not be able to KO Gliscor at +1, allowing you to revenge with stone edge. I don't know what the calcs are for Rotom Wash, but maybe he can live through one +1 hit and cripple it with trick.

Also, what did it use to kill Heatran? If it has hp ground then I'm not sure it matters much what moveset your Heatran has, and if it doesn't, then Toxic from Heatran should do the job, since it can't kill him with Bug Buzz in any reasonable timeframe.

Honestly your team doesn't seem that weak to Volcarona.

[animorpherv1]

Stop saying SR is a counter - every Volcarona ever packs Roost. Also, Gliscor dies on one hit to any special attack with decent power behind it, Rotom-W goes down to Bug Buzz. If I use the turn to switch in to, say, Gliscor (the only thing packing a rock move), it can either go straight for the Fiery Dance and 2HKO before Gliscor moves, or it can Dance and then confirm KO Gliscor before it can attack.


Also, Bug Buzz - it was able to KO Starmie despite Starmie packing Surf and almost KO'ing it. So I went in to Heatran to just knock off a little bit of damageand KO it, but it decided to Roost. I don't even understand why Volcarona

has

Roost - it can't fly.

[T S O]

Thank you, Patrick.

If it's Sub Volc then Earth Power will beat it out. If it's not, then Toxic will beat it. The only variant which beats T/EP is the Rest Chesto variant.

Honestly who runs Sub Volc anyway?

Again, what did it set up on?

Finally, if you really feel you're Volcweak, why not change some EV's on Gliscor to ensure that it can take the hit? Same with Rotom-W.

AncientPower is bad, full stop.

PEdit: If it's QD/Roost/BB/FD, Toxic Heatran again beats it. You bring it in early. You misplayed.

[animorpherv1]

If it's Sub Volc then Earth Power will beat it out. If it's not, then Toxic will beat it. The only variant which beats T/EP is the Rest Chesto variant.

No it will not - I just had Earth Power from Heatran do 11% damage to a Volcarona - that's FAR AND AWAY from beating it.

I do not need Heatran to take on other what you guys are assuredly thinking of - I need Heatran to KO (KO. Not Roar out, not cripple) Genesect and Volcarona. THAT'S IT. What are the best two moves for doing that? Lava Plume and AP, as they KO respective Pokmeon in one hit.


I invite EVERYONE to come battle me 1 on with Volcarona vs. Heatran with Earth Power. You'll see just how bad it is then.

EDIT:

Finally, if you really feel you're Volcweak, why not change some EV's on Gliscor to ensure that it can take the hit? Same with Rotom-W

Because I don't want to move all of my defence EVs into special defence is why.

[Patrick]

Stealth Rock is by far the biggest counter. Losing 50% of your health just for switching in is huge, especially on a fragile sweeper. Just because some Volcaronas can heal themselves doesn't mean SR is useless - they have to spend a crucial turn doing it and a moveslot. For example, if Volcarona heals on it's first turn and you switch in Gliscor, I don't think it should be able to KO you from full health most of the time. The only chance would be a life orb fire blast, which isn't guaranteed to hit nor drop you in one.

Rotom-W can live through a +1 Bug Buzz from bulkier versions of Volcarona, allowing him to trick it. I've never used Volcarona nor faced that many this gen, so I don't know what they most commonly run, but if its a bulky set that heals itself, it doesn't have the power to just muscle through you with one boost.

As for your Heatran, does Ancient Power even come close to KOing Volcarona if it has two dances before you hit it? (Once as you switch in, once again before you go). Even without calcs I'm sure it doesn't. Toxic puts a timer on Volcarona and is a generically useful move to have, unlike Ancientpower. If you're viewing your Heatran as just a machine that you use to KO two specific pokemon, you're approaching it wrong anyway. Toxic gives it a much longer list of pokemon it can do something to, while still probably dealing with Volcarona just as well.

[Patrick]

Even if you insist on having Ancientpower, you could still be running either Roar or Toxic over protect. Both would be more useful against Volcarona and Talonflame, and both have plenty of utility outside of those too.