Newbie 1441 (Game Over)

[TheIrishPope]

Such analysis
Much wow

Seriously you said nothing

[notscience]

TIP lol

[Drake Crusader]

If Tigris is still alive tomorrow we can worry about whether or not this has all been an elaborate setup. If Tigris is telling the truth there is about a 50/50 chance he dies tonight and makes the whole thing moot. Lynching Tigris today is such a hilariously awful idea I don't even think it's scummy honestly. Scum would try to be a

little

subtle.

Well if we have 7 players now.
2 mafia 5 town

lynch one town today following tigris advice
then tigris kills one town at night.
2 mafia 3 town

Depending on what happens with night kill then that would depend on who gets lynched.
for example tigris dies
1 mafia 3 town

maifa kills another town
1 mafia 2 town.

OR THE OTHER SETUP

Lynch tigris ( flip scum)
mafia targets whoever
1 mafia 4 town

OR

Lynch tigris (flips tracker or town or whoever)
mafia still targets someone
2 mafia 3 town

BOTH LEAD TO
we lynch spaces the next day (if tigris flips something else)
and mafia kills someone
1 mafia and 2 town


MY IDEA AND PLAN:

Tigris has a higher chance of flipping scum than spaces or NS. Just because he is the first to flip the PR card and start the endgame phase.
Tigris flips mafia we are down one.
Tigris flips town or role then we know that spaces is scum.
Is spaces worth another himself and another town member getting killed?

The idea on a challenge to prove tigris or disprove:
We know that someone in the game has a role to save someone.
I don't believe that the mafia would miss a deadline since NO ONE declared a V/LA before the deadline. So I would imagine that both mafia were present.
I believe because if they we had a jail keeper or a cop then the results would of been posted on D2.
Honestly then I believe that the other role should claim.
Who ever claims the other role and says who they saved would allow us to cross reference to see the best choice.

Tigris says that Nom was targeted D1.
If someone saved him then claim to support.
That would tell us either that Tigris is correct or not.

Correct - we end lynching scum spaces because tigris claim would of been proved
Not - we end up lynching scum tigris and then we save a town spaces from lynch.

Ex. Tigris is scum
that would leave us at
1 mafia 4 town
after night kill

If no one claims then I feel Tigris is the best choice.
This setup in my mind also shows that no one was protected or roleblocked or shot was bulletproof or afk for the night duration.

Understand what I am trying to get at?

[Drake Crusader]

Tigris being alive tomorrow wouldn't be conclusive proof he was scum, no. But him being dead tomorrow would be conclusive proof he was innocent. So since there is some chance of learning more information overnight, we should lynch the ADMITTED SCUM instead.

I'm about ready to throw the lynching vote on just so that you guys don't have time to talk yourselves out of a guaranteed scumlynch. Regardless of Tigris's motives, town-Spaces would not have admitted to being scum. We cannot lose by lynching him.

Sorry for double post. I didn't see this posted.

We should ask spaces what it ment. However, regardless my plan would work even if he is mafia.

@SPACES what was your intent with that message.
Just a town giving up like Montosh ?
or a scum confession like NS ?
or even a town giving up like a scum ( like NS lol) ?

[notscience]

Drake is scum. Cool.

How does an UN CC'D PR have a higher chance of flipping scum than the GUILTY from said pr?

[Drake Crusader]

Drake is scum. Cool.

How does an UN CC'D PR have a higher chance of flipping scum than the GUILTY from said pr?

I noted why above.
With having the other person claim then we would know for sure.
Innocent until proven guilty.

So whats wrong with it ?
besides inserting "lol under each sentence ? lol
Really, the risk of losing 2 towns today is bad.
My idea would minimize risk to one scum and possibly one town.

[notscience]

Drake.

we have a PR CLAIM WITH A GUILTY

If it gets CC'd, we lynch between the two. If the CCer is scum, that means that Spaces is also scum and gg. If the CCer is town, that means Tigris is scum.

[JacobSavage]

GOOD DAMN IT EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE IGNORING THE PART WHERE SPACES CLAIMED SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT YOU GUYS.


WHEN SOME CLAIMS SCUM YOU LYCNH THEM WITH HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE. NOT SIT AROUND "

LET'S SAY HE'S TOWN... THEN THIS GUY WOULD BE SCUM... LETS LYNCH THIS GUY

" ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ALL THIS THICK? REALLY? BECAUSE THE LONGER WE KEEP SPACES ALIVE THE WORSE IT IS. ALREADY WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT NOTSCIENCE, BUT STILL YOU WANT TO SIT AROUND AND BE SO IGNORANT.

[Tigris]

Drake.

we have a PR CLAIM WITH A GUILTY

If it gets CC'd, we lynch between the two. If the CCer is scum, that means that Spaces is also scum and gg. If the CCer is town, that means Tigris is scum.

Exactly, which is why I said before, if someone wants to cc me, feel free. I even said I would be the lynch today since I know it will be game over with a town win since spaces and the person counter claiming me would be mafia.

Now, as to the idea that the doctor (anyone besides nominull, spaces, or myself) or bullet proof (nominull possibility) stepping forward.

The issue with that is that it leaves a possibility of a doctor if nominull is the BP and doesn't claim it, which means that I might not be targeted tonight if the mafia goes doctor hunting. Not going to share my opinion on what action mafia should take tonight as I typically don't give advice to the side that I'm not on.

[Spaces]

Okay, it's true. I admit it.

Tigris bullied me into claiming scum!

I'M actually the tracker!

[JacobSavage]

Pahahahaha I'm sorry what?

Just even what?

Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope

[Spaces]

Haha, Jacob, you crack me up.

Let's hug and make up.

[notscience]

VOTE: spaces

wtb hammer

[Spaces]

I know you're sore about me giving you away, but you don't get to vote twice.

[notscience]

Here's a little secret for you

You've gone and confirmed me as town

Why?

Had I ACTUALLY been your scumbuddy, you would have been modkilled.

[Spaces]

That's brilliant logic! You may win the game yet!

Of course, I can claim what I want all day long, but as long as my intent is clear, which is to save you by outting you, I'd imagine that Zaicon would be willing to let me go on playing the game to my win condition, seeing how there's no rules that explicitly say, "Don't say your mafia bud is your mafia bud." But I've done what I meant to do, and victory is assured, which is why I'm in such a jovial mood!

[Nominull]

So how certain are you it's Drake Crusader, notsci? You've been confident before in this game.

[notscience]

So how certain are you it's Drake Crusader, notsci? You've been confident before in this game.

Do you see anyone else trying to lynch a fucking PR before the convicted?

[Nominull]

So how certain are you it's Drake Crusader, notsci? You've been confident before in this game.

Do you see anyone else trying to lynch a fucking PR before the convicted?

TIP is refusing to vote. Everybody's acting a little weird, but only one of them can be scum.

[Nominull]

And like, what motive does scum have to push for a lynch on Tigris? If you were in your right mind you'd know that would never go through, and if you're not in your right mind you could just as easily be crazy town as crazy scum.

[notscience]

Well, I'm conftown.

You're conftown.

Tigris is conftown.

Spaces is scum.

sooooo

[Nominull]

You're not conftown notscience.

[notscience]

Oh, I am.

Why?

Because my role PM reads town

Because revealing a scumbuddy is a modkill worthy offense and Spaces is still here.

[TheIrishPope]

Yeah NS is obviously confirmed town
But how is nominull conf?

[notscience]

Tigris saw Spaces visit nominull N1 when noone died