hahahahahaha wtf do you mean "at the moment?"In post 73, Hermy wrote:Sorry, busy weekend.
The Scorpion and Grimgroove thing looks like town on town to me at the moment.
On a semi OT (but indie game related, so yeah) note: I went and downloaded Surgeon Simulator 2013 today, hoping for a few hours of hilarious fun. I complete the operation on my first go with an A++. *siiiiiigh*
Micro 267 - Indie Game: The UPick - Game Over!
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During the previos game I've played with Hermy, she set herself up as lynchbait in the beginning of the game as well. I would like to see her operate without any pressure at all before reaching any conclusions on that slot.
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The slapfight might feel irrelevant to most, but it did affect my gut and that gut likes XScorpion as town.
VOTE: Trine
Also a serious vote, this time hopefully not based on miscontruings."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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Turkish Van (2) - Who, Trine
Grimgroove (2) - Hermy, XScorpion
Hermy (2) - Turkish Van, Desperado
XScorpion (1) - BROseidon
Trine (1) - Grimgroove
Not Voting (1) - Sanhora
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Because of the paranoia-thing.
Looks like an (albeit humble) effort to get out of RVS.
But why question someone over something you consider a town-trait?In post 27, Trine wrote:
I see paranoia as usually a town trait.In post 26, Desperado wrote:It was actually RVS. What do I have to be paranoid of?
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And this shows a strong inclination to townread Desperado. Desperado earlier said that he wasn't paranoid ("blank slates"), yet here Zoya insists his extended hand over the paranoia-tell that has been waved away by Desperado himself.In post 36, Trine wrote:
I don't know. Should I take it as a sign that you are town?In post 32, Desperado wrote:
That's cool.In post 27, Trine wrote:I see paranoia as usually a town trait.
So why would/should I be paranoid of you?
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I see no progression (which could be explained by passing the ENTIRE thing off as fluff-RVS-posting) were it not for what I consider to be a subtle buddying-attempt in the form of an implied and persevering willingness to townread Desperado.
I'd like the Zoya-head to respond."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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The last couple games I've played with her she did scummy things on Day One and WAS scum, actually: Micro 240 and Mini 1500. I'm not so inclined to give her a pass on anything here.In post 77, Grimgroove wrote:During the previos game I've played with Hermy, she set herself up as lynchbait in the beginning of the game as well. I would like to see her operate without any pressure at all before reaching any conclusions on that slot.
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I'm not encouraging her to play badly, I just think pressure makes her play more badly. I think Hermy should be easier to read if you drop the first impressions, the pressure resulting from that, and let her play the game first.
She doesn't react well to pressure as town. I've seen this first-hand in this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32103, where the only thing that saved her from a certain-lynch was her PR-claim.
Lynchbaits are a distraction, yes, but they're also exactly not the kind of lynch you want on a Day 1. It's still a shot in the dark and doesn't give the information a lynch on a less convenient target would offer."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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That's fine, but I'm not going to back off just because someone wilts under pressure. There are several objectively scummy things about Hermy's post, and I intend to dance with her.-
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I have concerns about Desperado actually, which is why I tried to initiate some discussion with him. I didn't want to completely lay out what I would expect from him if he's town at that point, but his not pushing harder right off the bat to move the game out of RVS was of concern to me.In post 80, Grimgroove wrote:Because of the paranoia-thing.
Looks like an (albeit humble) effort to get out of RVS.
But why question someone over something you consider a town-trait?In post 27, Trine wrote:
I see paranoia as usually a town trait.In post 26, Desperado wrote:It was actually RVS. What do I have to be paranoid of?
~ Zoya
And this shows a strong inclination to townread Desperado. Desperado earlier said that he wasn't paranoid ("blank slates"), yet here Zoya insists his extended hand over the paranoia-tell that has been waved away by Desperado himself.In post 36, Trine wrote:
I don't know. Should I take it as a sign that you are town?In post 32, Desperado wrote:
That's cool.In post 27, Trine wrote:I see paranoia as usually a town trait.
So why would/should I be paranoid of you?
~ Xoya
I see no progression (which could be explained by passing the ENTIRE thing off as fluff-RVS-posting) were it not for what I consider to be a subtle buddying-attempt in the form of an implied and persevering willingness to townread Desperado.
I'd like the Zoya-head to respond.
And, though Hermy has had some recent successes as scum, and they probably do hinge to some degree on people letting their guard down because her town play often looks scummy, I still consider his vote on her a little suspect. I don't think she'll be that difficult to sort.
If Desperado is town, I want to figure that out early because his reads are usually good and he's a good player to bounce ideas around with. Right now, I don't have a good town-sense about him.
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Both of our initial scumreads have their genesis prior to Hermy's first post.In post 90, Desperado wrote:Yes, distressed. Both of your initial scumreads(?) are directly related to their vote on Hermy.
I don't believe I am. I think you are sidestepping my issue, actually.And you're still sidestepping the issue.
My argument begins with "why is Desperado not doing anything to advance the game out of RVS? Not even my half-assed posts at him elicited a snap." Hermy is an afterthought, though one I find somewhat concerning.Does your argument really end at "Hermy is lynchbait?"
Pontius' argument re TV begins with "Why are they active elswhere and not in this game?" Where it ends, perhaps Pointius knows.
Almost too scummy to be scum. Almost. Hermy should be fairly easy to sort.If so, is it because you agree that their post was scummy as balls?
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In post 85, Trine wrote:I don't think she'll be that difficult to sort.
Can you elaborate on this? I find lynch-bait players the hardest to sort (bad memories of drmyshottyizsik).In post 92, Trine wrote:Hermy should be fairly easy to sort.-
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So when it became clear that your prodding me wasn't doing anything to achieve your stated goal (get out of RVS), why didn't you try something else? It looks a lot to me like you all passed the buck on to Penguin and I (calling her out for inactivity during a holiday on page two?) and then calling us scummy for not doing the work for you.In post 92, Trine wrote:My argument begins with "why is Desperado not doing anything to advance the game out of RVS? Not even my half-assed posts at him elicited a snap." Hermy is an afterthought, though one I find somewhat concerning.-
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My feeling is that once RVS was done, it was done. Grimgroove and XScorpion ended it, and earned townreads in the process. While that was a lost opportunity to form a read on you, it won't be the only opportunity.In post 94, Desperado wrote:
So when it became clear that your prodding me wasn't doing anything to achieve your stated goal (get out of RVS), why didn't you try something else? It looks a lot to me like you all passed the buck on to Penguin and I (calling her out for inactivity during a holiday on page two?) and then calling us scummy for not doing the work for you.In post 92, Trine wrote:My argument begins with "why is Desperado not doing anything to advance the game out of RVS? Not even my half-assed posts at him elicited a snap." Hermy is an afterthought, though one I find somewhat concerning.
fwiw, your belated taking up of my invitation to discuss has been more in the vein of what I would expect from you as town.Hydra of Amadeus, Zoya, and Pontius.-
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Tone and timing, along with some meta comparisons.In post 93, XScorpion wrote:In post 85, Trine wrote:I don't think she'll be that difficult to sort.
Can you elaborate on this? I find lynch-bait players the hardest to sort (bad memories of drmyshottyizsik).In post 92, Trine wrote:Hermy should be fairly easy to sort.Hydra of Amadeus, Zoya, and Pontius.-
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What exactly about tone and timing gives you reads? And how am I supposed to make meta-comparisons without having played with Hermy?In post 96, Trine wrote:
Tone and timing, along with some meta comparisons.In post 93, XScorpion wrote:In post 85, Trine wrote:I don't think she'll be that difficult to sort.
Can you elaborate on this? I find lynch-bait players the hardest to sort (bad memories of drmyshottyizsik).In post 92, Trine wrote:Hermy should be fairly easy to sort.-
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I don't know, exactly, but I've been developing tone-and-timing-informed reads since I started playing mafia. But, they usually point up something more objective in the involved posts, and I can almost always explain my read in a decipherable form once it's jelled.In post 98, XScorpion wrote:
What exactly about tone and timing gives you reads?In post 96, Trine wrote:
Tone and timing, along with some meta comparisons.In post 93, XScorpion wrote:In post 85, Trine wrote:I don't think she'll be that difficult to sort.
Can you elaborate on this? I find lynch-bait players the hardest to sort (bad memories of drmyshottyizsik).In post 92, Trine wrote:Hermy should be fairly easy to sort.
Cold meta is a thing. I've meta'd her for other games and I'll be doing some reviews to refresh my memory.And how am I supposed to make meta-comparisons without having played with Hermy?
I'll be off the grid for a bit. Will check back in later today.
~ ZoyaHydra of Amadeus, Zoya, and Pontius.
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