By 'that' I mean the explanation for a town-read on Grim.
Although I do concur that BRO's comment-to-question ratio in that post is 5 to 1, and the question is not directed towards who he is voting.
In post 127, Desperado wrote:....so? If you were around at that time wouldn't you have been supporting her also? You agree with both of the points that you referenced here.
In post 127, Desperado wrote:....so? If you were around at that time wouldn't you have been supporting her also? You agree with both of the points that you referenced here.
The perfect lockstep is suspicious as.
OK, but you're in lockstep with both of us so....???
In post 99, Trine wrote:I don't know, exactly, but I've been developing tone-and-timing-informed reads since I started playing mafia. But, they usually point up something more objective in the involved posts, and I can almost always explain my read in a decipherable form once it's jelled.
For most players this makes sense but for lynch-bait players this may be difficult at best. Some players just always seem scummy to me, but I've been told I am overly accusative.
There are players I tend to scumread by default as well. I have reason to think that I can get a decent read on Hermy by watching her interactions and reactions. If I give up on it, I'll be sure to make that known.
In post 99, Trine wrote:Cold meta is a thing. I've meta'd her for other games and I'll be doing some reviews to refresh my memory.
It's a thing, but how useful is it really? I find that unless I've actually interacted with players in a game (past or present) I don't have any way to get a good read.
I concede that my ability to read this type of player is flimsy at best, so I won't push a wagon on Hermy now (also because I don't want her voting herself out right away) but if I am confident she is scum I'm not going to let her reputation prevent me from voting her.
If you become confident she's scum then by all means pursue it.
I am very curious as to how she sees me vs. GG as town on town when I didn't get any read from GG (except for a read of our mutual math and communication skills). Trine as well (GG already explained it as gut). Can the both of you explain the townreads? Is it just gut or do you have more reasoning??
Your interactions with each other, what caused you to sheath the verbal swords, and the fact that both of you pushed beyond the RVS envelope. Scum like RVS and usually aren't interested in helping move the game into more productive territory.
In post 100, Turkish Van wrote:However I can say GG defending Hermy in a sense to keep pressure off her is eyeballing. My gut says it's partner defending a partner, but I feel like it's most likely scum defending possible town for some cred if Hermy were to flip in the future.
But Trine really IS doing this also, to an even greater degree than Grim. If Hermy is scum then Grim is probably more likely to be his partner--if Hermy is town, Trine is more likely to be scum looking for towncred.
In either case, how much more likely do you actually think?
I've used reactions to lynchbait as a sorting tool in the past. It's hardly 100%, but it's sometimes alignment indicative given other aspects of a player's game and given their meta. I let one get away not too long ago, though it pinged at the time.
This is a strange derphammer to bring up. It's not like Desp is Saki or something.
In post 61, Who wrote:I unvoted TV because things were going slowly and I decided to get a wagon going. Then I realized that someone else had voted TV so a wagon was going. TV is currently at L-2.
The Scorpion and Grimgroove thing looks like town on town to me at the moment.
On a semi OT (but indie game related, so yeah) note: I went and downloaded Surgeon Simulator 2013 today, hoping for a few hours of hilarious fun. I complete the operation on my first go with an A++. *siiiiiigh*
Urge to lynch, rising.
In post 77, Grimgroove wrote:During the previos game I've played with Hermy, she set herself up as lynchbait in the beginning of the game as well. I would like to see her operate without any pressure at all before reaching any conclusions on that slot.
"I'm okay with letting players obfuscate scummy play with meta-level stupidity."
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In post 82, Desperado wrote:Grim, why are you encouraging someone to continue playing badly as town? Even if you're right and Hermy is town setting herself up as an easy mislynch, that is just a distraction--at best.
This is your 2nd post on the same page where you post something right after penguin that supports penguin's post.
VOTE: Desp
In post 113, Grimgroove wrote:And for the record, before this thing starts leading its own life: I never defended Hermy. I simply advocated another approach based on my earlier experiences with her. Just read the game I linked you to earlier you'll see perfectly where I'm coming from. Even that game itself I had resevrations about Baezu because of her lynchbait characteristics, but still went after her in the end after she failed in some reaction tests. And I went after Hermy for not recognizing the fact she was lynchbait as well. Lynchbaits are lynchbaits exactly because they fail reaction tests, regardless of alignment. So how to discern the alignment of lynchbait? Not through reaction tests, but by letting them act on their own accord.
...except you are...
We noticed last night that Desp's initial two votes had followed TV's.
Do you have a theory why Scum-Desperado would shadow TV?
In post 123, XScorpion wrote:How would you rank Des/Hermy/GG in terms of scumminess right now?
Desp>GG>Hermy
Why is GG scummy? And if GG is scummy is there some reason why we are not? If your read of GG is dependent on his stance re Hermy, then I feel that we should also be somewhere in your list.
In post 143, Trine wrote:We noticed last night that Desp's initial two votes had followed TV's.
Do you have a theory why Scum-Desperado would shadow TV?
How did you notice something that isn't true? I only "followed" Penguin on to Hermy, and that's only in the sense that we both reacted the same way to Hermy's post--and again, no one has even attempted to argue against it being scummy.
In post 143, Trine wrote:We noticed last night that Desp's initial two votes had followed TV's.
Do you have a theory why Scum-Desperado would shadow TV?
How did you notice something that isn't true? I only "followed" Penguin on to Hermy, and that's only in the sense that we both reacted the same way to Hermy's post--and again, no one has even attempted to argue against it being scummy.
Ah you're right. Your vote on us came before TV's. I had it backwards in memory. Never mind the bit about following, then. I'll keep it in mind as a parallel in progression.
In post 142, Desperado wrote:Yeah, Bo was posting in the postgame of another game.
Nevermind, this isn't accurate. I had Sanhora mixed up with someone else.
Unvote
Vote: Bro
Bro says I'm scum for following Penguin and being in perfect lockstep with her while simultaneously pushing the same agenda we were pushing. IDGI, and normally I do get it when Bro is town.
In post 123, XScorpion wrote:How would you rank Des/Hermy/GG in terms of scumminess right now?
Desp>GG>Hermy
Why is GG scummy? And if GG is scummy is there some reason why we are not? If your read of GG is dependent on his stance re Hermy, then I feel that we should also be somewhere in your list.
~ Zoya
To be fair here, I only asked BRO to compare these three because 122 seemed to suggest he thought all three were scummy.
