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[TierShift]

If there is nothing wrong with lynching weaker players then why is this even an issue?

Nothing is wrong with lynching weaker players per se, but as I've said:

I meant that you didn't do enough effort finding/pressuring scum other than that short case on BRO.

Your narrative doesn't include Bro so you just call that push "weak" itself when it wasn't.

I found the reasoning behind that push weak, yes, as I've addressed in post 236.

Why are you so insistent that I go look over there when you haven't identified any of them as scum yourself?

Idek if this is rhetorical, but: not yet? I just joined this game. I haven't had all the opportunities to interact with them yet, like you have.

[Desperado]

But you've read the game?

[TierShift]

XS, I have voiced my doubts over desp and bro being town. I'm having a null read on hermy, trine and who, so they could be scum in my book. The rest I see as town.

P-edit: yeah ofc, but reading=/=interacting

[XScorpion]

So you're saying Des should be attacking his null reads and not his scumreads?

[TierShift]

Point taken. Thanks for making sense.
Still, there is a lack of critical thinking. It does also look like tunneling on weaker players, which is an easy strategy for scum. But agreed, it's not a scumtell. Retracting that point, then.

[XScorpion]

So what points do you have left exactly?
The only things I don't like about des' play are when he votes w/o explaining why immediately (e.g. 221). Town shouldn't have to ask the reasoning for the vote, it should be provided.

[TierShift]

Not much tbh, only the constant deflecting. You don't see that?

[XScorpion]

In the same post where you accuse him of deflecting, you also call BRO your #1 scum read, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt here.

[TierShift]

Yes. Someone who votes fpr your scumread can provide faulty reasoning, so what's the grain of salt for?

Also pointing at the fact that desp first tries to use my own argument against me and only later on tries to invalidate my argument.

[BROseidon]

I wasn't lying. I was explaining my motivations behind what you call a "defense". Even if my intended result was to indeed diffuse the wagon, it was not because I wanted to defend Hermy.
It's because I wanted to get a decent read on her and I didn't think I was going to get it after a wagon. She's proven herself to be self-hammering, flailing town before, why the hell are you expecting me to take that out of the equation?

Because excusing that sort of behavior on a meta-level is shit, is why.

I'm starting to get more and more why people support policy/utility lynches.

In your zest to call me an idiot you have forgotten to think through your own self-defense argument.

1. Using your lack of wanting to build town-equity as an argument shows how WIFOM that argument is. You are actively using behavior you claim to have come naturally as a strategic instrument, leading me to think it didn't come naturally at all.
2. I was talking about STYLE. I remembered your last game more low-profile and less aggravating on a meta-game level through insults.

But you ARE building town equity in this game, even though your style doesn't hint at it. Your approach of townreading two people and POE'ing the rest as town fromt here is the very definition of buddying to large groups. You focus on 2, max. 3 people, based on flimsy arguments and try to gather friends around you by your blanket, implied townreads.
How have you not been building town equity? Through insulting me? But I'm your biggest scumread...

We'll save this convo for post-game because it involves a lot of meta-level stuff that, as you said, I could be manipulating as scum.

Plan Two won't work, as you'll be dead by Day 2.

So we force scum to shoot me to obfuscate Hermy's alignment. That seems like an okay trade to me.

[BROseidon]

This is such bullshit. Do you really, genuinely think I'd even try to explain away a scumhammer through shouting "lynchbait, lynchbait!"? There are degrees of scumminess that can be explained by the lynchbait-reasoning, the hammer XScorpion is talking about would by far exceed its relevance. You pretending not to realize I know this is what is truly bullshit about this argument.

This also isn't bullshit. People have explained away really shitty hammers on much better players (xReck got away with it as scum in Red Wedding. Hell, you just saw ETL get away with it)

[BROseidon]

You have got to be kidding me.

How does that warrant a townread?
How is it critical thinking? He doesn't even have his facts straight.

Zoya head of Trine: I want your opinion on this post.

[BROseidon]

Well, your argument is wrong. Unless Bro is lynchbait as well?

Remind me to talk about this in post-game.

I have some really fun statistics about this.

[XScorpion]

Yes. Someone who votes fpr your scumread can provide faulty reasoning, so what's the grain of salt for?

Also pointing at the fact that desp first tries to use my own argument against me and only later on tries to invalidate my argument.

Because your reasoning is no better; you're both using the same arguments, so maybe you're both scum and this is distancing?

BRO, what do you think of tiershift?

[BROseidon]

I need to go more slowly through his posts. A lot of language use is pinging.

[BROseidon]

Ok guys I'm just gonna go ahead and be honest

: this is my first time replacing into a game and I had thought it would be different. I understimated the difference between reading how someone interacts and actually interacting with that person. I also voted before having caught up with everyones play.

I

actually

think BRO's reaction to my/gg's accusations was townish (although the claim was not).

So yeah, I'm just gonna take back a few steps and think it through before making a move.

I hate to pull the low newbie argument and I know that some of you don't like this post, but it explains the wishywashyness and imo it's better to be truthful than to keep hanging on to my shit case and play uncomfortably.

As for my biggest scumread atm, it would have to be desp, but don't expect it to stay that way.

1) Usually when people qualify something with "to be honest," they're actually lying. The problem is, the statement that follows isn't something that makes sense to lie about here (unless he's an alt).

2) Similarly, use of the word "actually" indicates dishonesty. However, given that he just used it in a sentence that probably wasn't a lie, he could have a baseline "scummy" writing style (a la mastin).

3) This reads as genuine to me on gut.

[BROseidon]

TierGod, is English your first language.

Yes, this is relevant to the game.

[TierShift]

Yes. Someone who votes fpr your scumread can provide faulty reasoning, so what's the grain of salt for?

Also pointing at the fact that desp first tries to use my own argument against me and only later on tries to invalidate my argument.

Because your reasoning is no better; you're both using the same arguments, so maybe you're both scum and this is distancing?

BRO, what do you think of tiershift?

I don't understand this. Where are we using the same arguments?

BRO, English is not my first language, I'm Dutch.
I do like the effort, though.

[Alduskkel]

Vote Count 1.11

TierShift (2) - XScorpion, Desperado
Hermy (2) - Turkish Van, Who
Grimgroove (1) - BROseidon
BROseidon (1) - Hermy
Who (1) - Trine

Not Voting (2) - TierShift, Grimgroove

9 alive, 5 to lynch.

Deadline is on December 14th, 12 p.m. PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2013-12-14 12:00:00)

Grimgroove is V/LA until the evening of the 8th of December.

[BROseidon]

Then post 290 is irrelevant, and I can't do linguistics stuff the way I wanted to :/

[Alduskkel]

Prodded Hermy.

[XScorpion]

BRO, how often do you do language analysis? I've only finished one game with you, and you used it when you were scum.

[BROseidon]

I use it in most of my games nowadays.

[XScorpion]

Link to game where you used it to successfully catch scum?

[Who]

Why are you so quiet this game?

~ Zoya

For some reason I just can't get into this game, not sure why. I'm pretty sure I'll become more active (Note: This is not a promise only a prediction) soon, for some reason it feels like a large right now. Also it feels as if I haven't played mafia in ages. I'm in only one other game right now, and I died in my last completed game back in the beginning of november, when usually I am in many games at once, so that might have something to do with it.