NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Guyett]

of course I understand... but looking at your ISO you have Bro down as scum then null and then scum again before his fake claim?!? how did HE school you in that game enough to use up a PR on him.. your STRONGEST town read!!!

[Guyett]

there are far to many inconsistencies here and I can't be the only one who sees this

[Guyett]

I can talk about the game now. Chose to after he utterly trounced me in bork's mini theme; got super paranoid and wanted to shore up the read and dispel the paranoia. Go look it up if you'd like. It's in coney island.

Why didn't you investigate him N1 then? I'd imagine the wound would have been much fresher then...

[Guyett]

lol :/

/feeling a little stupid that I forgot that

but the point stands.
You scum read Bro in that game. he flipped scum. he didn't trounce you. gif/nacho and muffin trounced the town there but from looking at your iso you suspected both slots but didn't push it. (you on muffin and ffer on gif/nacho)
you are massively town reading AFB here. you claim to follow him because he 'trounced you'. this doesn't make sense to me. Surely you'd follow a scum read to find scum not follow a town read to potentially clear them ( I say potentially as he could have done nothing... or he could be a scum doc?)

[Guyett]

I can only work on what you have given me as an example of him trouncing you

Chose to after he utterly trounced me in bork's mini theme

[Guyett]

I forgot to add this into some previous posts

[Guyett]

I have no interest in voting for yessiree, Toomai, RadiantCowbells, TheIrishPope, Hermy and Cephrir

;

Angry Frat BROs
JacobSavage
MC Maraca
PeregrineV
sangres

I still stand by this. bolded is not getting my vote today
bottom people occupy my shit list

[Guyett]

Jacob and PV have done the square root of fuck all and this makes me want to see them wagoned up to gauge reactions

[Guyett]

who do you think should be todays lynch then?

[Guyett]

of those the only one I hold interest in lynching is frat boys. tippy could be scum but there are others who can read him much better than I can.... however he is giving of an air of don't give a fuckery that I'd associate with town tippy.
RC is very likely town. who's to say both of your results can't be true?

[Guyett]

Why did you investigate hermy N1?

[Guyett]

Why wait until N2 to invesigate afb?

[Guyett]

I almost didn't investigate him because I was so sure he was scum.

ok. who's AFB's buddy/buddies?

[Guyett]

Ok so we have a claimed cop in RC, a claimed follower in Mc Maraca and a claimed doctor in AFB.

I don't know if lynching any of those is optimal play today :/

If we lynch AFB and he flips scum it means RC is probably town and Mc is possibly scum. If he flips town RC gets auto lynched
If we lynch RC and he flips cop it clears hermy for now and condemns AFB and possibly Mc. It also clears Hermy. If he's scum it should clear AFB?
Lynching hermy is probably useless here as she'll probably flip town... scum RC wifom yes but also could be trying to buy cop cred.

[Guyett]

TIP, if you aren't a cop, you should probably just admit it. Because I'm ready to vote Hermy at this point.

What are you thinking now?

[Guyett]

who won't you lynch?

[Guyett]

I have an irrational hatred for that PR due to your hydra buddy :/

[Guyett]

@tippy any chance did you can share who you investigated last night if you were able to investigate?

[Guyett]

I see lots of names being thrown around... hermy being scum and AFB being town for example right?

You do realise if AFB is a mafia doctor and a gunsmith investigates him the mafia doctor shows up as having no gun right?

[Guyett]

Tippy while you're here who do you think is scum and who is town?

[Guyett]

he's given 2 names, hermy and AFB

[Guyett]

Hey cool I have an echo

[Guyett]

You do realise if AFB is a mafia doctor and a gunsmith investigates him the mafia doctor shows up as having no gun right?

There's not a cop and gunsmith in the same setup. That's way too much power to give town.

depends how strong scum pr's are...

[Guyett]

Hermy/RC/yessiree for remaining scum.

Would also explain why TIP survived last night.

do explain how tip surviving implicates those 3?

[Guyett]

Guyett, would you say you are more of an aggressive player or a passive one?

passive mostly. tbh it depends on my mood a lot (and if I've been drinking) but mostly I'm a passive player. You saw first hand in the ETL royal council.

^I will take your answer as part of my consideration to whether vote you or not, so no pressure buddy

don't care if you vote. you are my biggest town read at the minute and you voting me won't change that

Any response to this

[Guyett]

Tippy is confusing me a bit, I wish he'd come in for a chat about stuff

[Guyett]

Guyett, would you say you are more of an aggressive player or a passive one?

passive mostly. tbh it depends on my mood a lot (and if I've been drinking) but mostly I'm a passive player. You saw first hand in the ETL royal council.

^I will take your answer as part of my consideration to whether vote you or not, so no pressure buddy

don't care if you vote. you are my biggest town read at the minute and you voting me won't change that

Any response to this

The problem I had with you was one behavior that you exhibited. You would bring up a point, talk about for 3-4 posts max, then retreat and try to retain a neutral stance. You did this numerous times. But you have the same instinct I have,

the feeling of MC + AFB scum

, with the addition of the past few pages of the exchange with MC makes me believe you're town.

that's 2 of the 3 remaining scum... I am quite sure about that.

[Guyett]

You do realise if AFB is a mafia doctor and a gunsmith investigates him the mafia doctor shows up as having no gun right?

There's not a cop and gunsmith in the same setup. That's way too much power to give town.

depends how strong scum pr's are...

Redirects and busdrives aren't normal.

Scum would need a roleblocker+a metric shitton of power beyond that to let that into the game, and even then it'd be rubbish.

Godfather, encryptor and mafia doc?

[Guyett]

Hermy/RC/yessiree for remaining scum.

Would also explain why TIP survived last night.

do explain how tip surviving implicates those 3?

RC faked cop guilty on me. This play also implies an encryptor to set up the play once it become obvious that MC was on me last night.

TIP has a guilty on Hermy.

Yessiree is sheeping at the last moment using reasoning that's false to push through the mislynch on the protective PR.

All of them not being particularly strong players would explain TIP not getting shot last night.

with 17 players I'd expect a 4 man team.

pedit: entire scumteam could be caught by PRs by day 3. Orc would have had to have been a RB. It's also shit design to use 2 investigative roles+2 scumroles that can bypass them to compensate.

Tip has said he isn't a cop, he also said he isn't a gunsmith. Lets assume he has some sort of investigative role for the sake of argument...

Tip investigative PR
AFB doc
Mc Maraca follower
vs
Scum roleblocker
Scum encryptor

is that balanced?

[Guyett]

Tippy talk to me. where are your reads now?

[Guyett]

AFB doc

Who says I'm a doc?

You're a protective PR apparently...
if not doc what can you be that is both normal and fits in here?

[Guyett]

Lets hear from Sangres then

[Guyett]

I think Sangres should be higher up your list? You shouldn't give him leeway just cause he's townreading you.

Sorry I think something cut out when I was writing thay. The list from afb to sangres are people I wouldnt object to lynching

You have mistakenly included me on the "ok the lynch list".

Whyfor would you do this?

because you have done fuck all lately.

[Guyett]

I'm incredibly sad that we can't insta-lynch RC for lying, but will probably settle on doing that anyways.

why is RC lying?
Would mafia doctor and town vig make sense in the same setup?

[Guyett]

caledfwitch,

Vanilla Town

, shot Night 1.
likeabauss,

Vanilla Town

, shot Night 1.

So how do explain this jacob?

[Guyett]

its not on the wiki.
AFB needs to do a full claim imo

[Guyett]

Oh, the wiki page explicitly states that mafia doctors don't have guns. I assumed whoever said that was crazy.

[Guyett]

Lets look at this objectively for a minute. this game was balanced as far as I know

Angry Frat BROs - Claimed some sort of protective role
Cephrir - no claim
Guyett - no claim
Hermy - no claim
JacobSavage - no claim
MC Maraca - Claimed follower
PeregrineV - no claim
RadiantCowbells - Claimed Cop
sangres - Claimed one shot Vig
TheIrishPope - Claimed Gunsmith
Toomai - no claim
yessiree - no claim


Now I didn't want to bring it up before but when I was thinking there was a Mafia Doctor it would have to mean there was either a SK or a Vig.
Therefore I think the town team of
RC- cop
Tippy - gunsmith
Sangres - one shot Vig
makes sense if there is a Mafia Doctor and perhaps a Godfather..

The mafia doctor is hidden from a gunsmith investigation but not from a cop investigation. The Godfather is immune from the cop but not from the gunsmith
There is likely an encryptor too as I suspect day talk

Before Bro gets pissy again check out ETL's recent mini =20880#p5462271]here

Town Odd-Night Vigilante *
Town Even-Night Vigilante *
Town Cop *
Cowardly Gunsmith (Hider + Gunsmith)
vs
Mafia Roleblocker *
Mafia Tracker *
Mafia Godfather *

Having the mafia doc allows Mc Maraca turn around and say well shit I didn't know he was scum lol... but he was a protective role
Sangres having a gun and AFB not having a gun from tippys investigations makes sense here as a vig has a gun but a mafia doc doesnt

update of my town list: I have no interest in voting for yessiree, Toomai, RadiantCowbells, TheIrishPope, Hermy, Cephrir and sangres;

Scum is AFB, MC Marca and one of Jacob/PeregrineV

[Guyett]

p-edit ok answer my question before it gets asked lol


Ok AFB tonight, MC Maraca or Sangres tomorrow (whichever one is alive)

[Guyett]

wait no I'm an idiot keep AFB alive for tonight

[Guyett]

VOTE: sangres

[Guyett]

RC.

AFB is a fucking doctor. It would be objectively stupid for MCMscum to lie about this.

So much this. MC can cover his arse when AFB flips scum doc

[Guyett]

I will not be revealing the number of shots I have at this time, but I currently possess greater than zero shots.

I kept it in my pants last night incidentally

.

For RC

[Guyett]

One-shot vig, we killed caled night 1.

So how did you shoot at ceiphir again?

[Guyett]

if ceiphir is a SK we leash him. he has to kill AFB tonight and if he doesn't we insta lynch him tomorrow. work our way through Sangres, AFB and Mc Maraca and if the game is still active lynch ceiphir.
We have the numbers for this to work

[Guyett]

And that's why you guys have a mafia doctor?

To counteract the SK?

I can't imagine any other reason for a mafia doctor.

counteract Vig...

[Guyett]

I can... its like putting a BP on the mafia

[Guyett]

means sk or vig

[Guyett]

priority now is getting scum, we leash the potential SK and worry about that later

[Guyett]

If MC's scum, why is Ceph in the townblock?

I'd expect mafia to try to balls deep a wagon on a suspected SK,

unless Cephrir is really town vig and not SK and mafia knew that but are now trying to push a mislynch on vig.

We'll find out tomorrow from TIP I guess.

Thats what I suspect, hopefully Tippy can sort that out for us

[Guyett]

Sangres and AFB are the conf scum in my eyes. MC Maraca is the only one where I have a slight bit of doubt... PV could be scum there instead

[Guyett]

More theory questions.

1) Why did so many people jump ship to Orc from AFB.
2) If Likeabauss died and AFB was town, scum would clearly be planning to capitalize and push that lynch safely. Yet this lynch is so difficult to pull off that a cop guilty didn't even do it. Why?
3) Why are they trying to discredit me but not trying to get other people to lynch me?

Ball is in your court, people.

1) ask Sangres. He made the push.
2) You did.

3) I still want you lynched, but we're lynching sangres first.

Yet you still vote for RC

[Guyett]

if ceiphir is a SK we leash him. he has to kill AFB tonight and if he doesn't we insta lynch him tomorrow. work our way through Sangres, AFB and Mc Maraca and if the game is still active lynch ceiphir.
We have the numbers for this to work

This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

"Let's shoot the town protective PR"

Really?

But you aren't town

[Guyett]

@Cephrir you have to shoot AFB tonight ok

[Guyett]

What PR claims do you believe?

[Guyett]

why is RC's obviously fake?

[Guyett]

If you flip town then we auto lynch RC so what is the worry?

[Guyett]

I gave you a link to a game ( a mini normal) with a gunsmith and a cop... why is it so difficult to think they might be in this game?

[Guyett]

(But if a majority disagree I guess I'll go with it- I don't see the point in shooting Maraca though if AFB will just save him)

The odds are in our favour

[Guyett]

A set up of

Cop
Gunsmith
Vig

vs


Mafia doc
2 from Roleblocker/Godfather/Encryptor

seems pretty even no? probably even a little scumsided

[Guyett]

Is there anything town still needs to do, or are we free to hammer?

give it a few mins

[Guyett]

The point remains, I don't think we're ready for a hemmer until people weigh in on what I should be doing tonight.

AFB, you can WIFOM all you want, but if TIP dies tonight you are getting lynched. I don't matter. I will probably be lynched as a suspected SK eventually anyway.

I think we should end the day now to avoid as much scum wifom as possible..

RC should investigate PV or MC Maraca
Tippy should investigate Ceph
AFB should protect Tippy
MC should follow RC

[Guyett]

that doesn't make them conf scum. That being said PV's play is very similar to Marvel vs DC here which is why he is up as potential scum. He needs to be investigated tonight

[Guyett]

The only way MC could be non-scum is if Roleblocking is classified as a protective action, which I've seen it as.

Jailkeeping

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends

[Guyett]

The only way MC could be non-scum is if Roleblocking is classified as a protective action, which I've seen it as.

Jailkeeping

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends

PV do you really think AFB is a jailkeeper?

[Guyett]

yes

[Guyett]

This is me confirming that I used a protective shot on MC last night. That's why I was getting defensive about the "why are they alive" point.

I'm not substantiating beyond that because ~reasons~

[Guyett]

The only way MC could be non-scum is if Roleblocking is classified as a protective action, which I've seen it as.

Jailkeeping

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends

PV do you really think AFB is a jailkeeper?

The questions I'm trying to answer:

Is Radiant a cop?

Yes

If so, he got 1 innocent (Hermy) and one guilty (AFB).

Yes

McMara "counterclaims" with "I followed AFB, he is a protective role".
Who did AFB say he targeted last night?

He protected McMara

Scum doctors are not that common. It would, however, act as a GF to a town gunsmith.

Yes

Is IrishPope a gunsmith?

Yes

Got a gun on Sangres and no-gun on (I forget).

No gun on AFB indicating probable scum doc

Scumdoc would act as GF to that role.

Sangres claims 1-shot vig who killed Caled n1. Ceph counters as X-shot vig. Sangres double-counters that he is scum, but Ceph is SK because kill on him failed.

Sangres is scum, Ceph may be SK but is likely town vig

Ceph can be sorted later, but I can see Sengres as scum based on Ceph counterclaim.

Circling back, if AFB is scum protective role, yet is not scumdoc, may be scum JK. This would give him both a protect and roleblock, giving the scumteam a little more versatility.

I think Scum JK will show as having a gun so no

Why would Sangres claim knowing he may be counterclaimed?

Wifom to draw out SK or the vig and say they are SK

To help the town out by locating the SK?

possibly

To get the town vig to claim so they can kill him?

Probably not with all the other roles floating about

To draw attention away from the Radiant cop-guilty claim?

on AFB?

Doubt it.
Probably.
Could see if Sangres is goon.

[Guyett]

Got it.

Another option would be scum JOAT.

This would allow AFB to be scum while leaving McMara as town and yet still correct.

But, McMara can't verify the target of AFB, just his action, correct?

Which doesn't answer "Is Radiant the cop?"

1- He could be the town cop with the results he stated.
2- He could be town cop lying about results.
3- He could be scum trying to lynch town AFB.
4- He could be town VT gambitting to get his scumread of AFB lynched and protect his townread Hermy.

1-Makes the most sense.
2-Makes little sense.
3- If that is the case, why the Sangres scumclaim?
4- Maybe, but most town backs off when called on it, because most are not egotistical enough to think they are never wrong. Which brings me back to probably 1.

Scum JOAT will have a gun so no

[Guyett]

why not lynch sangres and have csph shoot AFB?

[Guyett]

how do you know there is even a town doc? we're already overloaded with PR's....

[Guyett]

lol wut? this thing over?

@Ceph were you an odd night vig?

[Guyett]

For the record, if RC is legit a cop.

Goon
Goon
Encryptor
Scumdoc

Gunsmith
Cop
Unlimited or multishot Vig
Vanillas

is pretty broken.

tbf now we know cop was fake the set up of

Goon
Goon
Encryptor
Scumdoc

Gunsmith
Unlimited or multishot Vig
Vanillas

is much more balanced, probably even a little scum sided with the encryptor

[Guyett]

lol good call XD

I'm pretty happy with my reads this game, especially come D3

[Guyett]

FTR I think scum could have continued and possibly won. Sure a few of us had the team pegged but a lot of others didn't.

[Guyett]

Well this was a fun game anyway
Sorry for the shit D1 play and especially the thing with AFB
Fell sorry for the mafia team too
Thanks for modding GM

[Guyett]

My town wins are too sparse for me to pass them up

mine too lol

I had a good D3 with you

[Guyett]

I have yet to replace out of a game I thi k once you sign up for a game you're gonna need a damn good reason to replace out. If you're going away in a month don't sign up for a game that's going to take a lot more than that long. Also don't replace out because you get a certain alignment >:(