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[emeraldemon]

Skip to the Final Vote Count of Boundless Lynching Ecstasy.

Skip to night 2.

Skip to day 3.

Well, I picked a bad weekend to be away from this game I guess. If yiley flips town I think I wanna lynch tier tomorrow.

[TierShift]

Why's that?

[emeraldemon]

I'm still unhappy with the way you made the yiley vote decision, although maybe I should wait for the flip to make up my mind. Also your overall tone is pretty defensive whenever someone I you about anything (like 360). I dunno, if I'm wrong about yiley I could be wrong about a lot of things.

[TierShift]

360 is offensive not defensive?

[Shadowmod]

Final Vote Count of Boundless Lynching Ecstasy

Rothwell

(2/5): Yiley,

Huntress

,

TierShift

, emeraldemon

emeraldemon

(0/5):

pirate mollie

,

Natirasha

,

Huntress

Yiley

(5/5):

Huntress

, Natirasha, Huntress, TierShift, Mindgamer, Malakittens - Lynched!

Natirasha

(0/5):

pirate mollie

,

Malakittens

Mindgamer

(0/5):

Malakittens

TierShift

(0/5):

pirate mollie

,

Malakittens

not voting

(1/8): Rothwell

8 alive, 5 to lynch, 4 to no lynch

Day 2:

(expired on 2013-12-16 15:00:00) remaining

[Shadowmod]

Night 2

Oh, that's so overwhelmingly, fantastically, unbelievably nice! A real superhero, isn't that just the stunning epitome of pure and dazzling greatness?
Or is it just Yiley in a delighfully silly costume? I guess it is,

marvelous

!
Guess the fall from this 50 storey building will be even more charmingly amusing then...

Yiley

(

Mafia Goon

) has reached ultimate happiness!

Night 2:

(expired on 2013-12-18 15:00:00) remanining

[Shadowmod]

Day 3

An otter!
awww...
So cutsy little bugger...
And look at those teeny weeny gleamy littly eyes! So neat. So adorable!
And those enchantingly alluring agonozing sounds it makes when it's skinned alive, when that adoringly soft fur is peeled of.
And look at those exciting final twitches and fidges, so cute, awww...

Huntress

(

Town Tracker

) has reached ultimate happiness!

Players alive

Natirasha
TierShift
Rothwell
emeraldemon
Mindgamer
Malakittens

6 alive, 4 to lynch, 3 to no lynch

Day 3:

(expired on 2014-01-02 15:00:00) remanining

[Natirasha]

Okay so if we have a doc, they should claim I think cuz they have an innocent pretty much.

[Natirasha]

BP should claim as well I think?

[TierShift]

I agree with you nati. BP and doc should 100% claim unless I'm missing something.

I think emerald is the remaining scum.
I've got a few independent arguments for that. I'll start off with the weakest, then put some stronger arguments.
1. Emerald was conveniently away during the yiley hammer time.
2. Night kill huntress was firmly believing that emerald was the remaining scum, wouldn't it be nice for emerald to have her out of the way?
3. I know what my plan as scum would be d2 (assuming that rothwell isn't scum) and that's to get rothwell lynched. Which emerald's (and yiley's btw) only intent was. He was sticking to the plan too much, however, and that shows.
4. Defending of yiley in many situations, instances that I will collect for you in a next post.

I'm pretty sure there are more arguments which I forgot.

Other than arguments for emerald being scum, I have arguments for other players being town.
Nati: started the yiley wagon while he could have pushed for rothwell
Mindgamer: on yiley wagon (not early but eh) and mollie was town as hell
Mala: had a fucking valid excuse for not having to hammer and still did.
Rothwell: is just stupid...my backup scumread but I honestly don't think he is.

I haven't done too much rereading on Neater Plastic/yiley but if something other than interactions with emerald jump to the eye I'll let you know.

[TierShift]

Forgot
VOTE: emeraldemon

[TierShift]

Mod, otter meat is like $70/kg everywhere so I'll take you up on that offer.

Hmm...fresh otter meat.

[TierShift]

Stuff that pings:

Malakittens thinks Huntress is town, or at least claims to. At the start, emeraldemon and I thought she was contributing nothing while pretending to actually contribute something, but since then she has stopped acting like that so much.

NP is using emerald to bolster his own point against me here, but I don't think emerald really said that.

Trying to keep things as clear as possible: I assume NP was talking about my post here. I did say in this post "huntress may just want to get a wagon rolling and doesn't really care which ... [which] actually feels a bit scummy to me." regarding the vote on Tiershift. That was very early, my first non-RVS post, and I meant exactly what I said: it felt a bit scummy to me. Nothing more, nothing less.

Lurker, lurker, lurker. Wherever you look, that's what Rothwell's being called, because we have little else to see about him. He has received many pressure votes. Some people have shown that they believe in the possibility of Rothwell being a lost newbie as he claims, but suspicion against him is growing.

This looks like NP is laying the foundations for a future vote on Rothwell despite having nothing on him but inactivity.

This is the big question for me right now.
@Rothwell, please understand. Inactivity is one thing, but you're genuinely not helping town, and when people try to prod you into activity your responses feel hostile. If you want town to win, please try to help town win. Even a post like "sorry guys, I'm not as into this as I thought I would be" would help me a lot in trying to get where your coming from.

@huntress: can I take from this post that you don't think rothwell is scummy?

First part wasn't necessary at all, second part is directing attention away from NP and to rothwell.

Huntress's case against neater plastic actually makes some sense to me, I think I'm on the "huntress is town" wagon [are there only scumwagons, or are there townwagons also?]. Huntress, I'd love to get your reads on other players, especially rothwell and malakittens.

Updated reads:
TOWN
Huntress
goodmorning
Malakittens
pirate mollie
Neater Plastic
TierShift
D_Cobbz
Rothwell
SCUM

Anyone who is around but doesn't know what to post about, I am around. Pick on my reads! Ask me what's up! Let's get this thing rolling again!

You say that Huntress's case on NP makes sense without actually doing anything witht that information. You just seem to be agreeing for the agreeing and nothing more. I also notice how NP/yiley stay in place 4/5 of your reads list all the time.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31157
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32444

So it looks like Yiley has two finished games, 1429 and 1446. I read over both of them and he was... bad. Sorry bro, I am newb also, but your play is not exactly inspiring.

[offtopic - Are non-newbie games more active than newbies? I've only read newbie games so far, and they typically involve 4+ replacements and lots of prodding.]

Yiley you said in 1446 that you wanted to trust your gut since it's usually right. What is your gut telling you? You said you would post reads earlier but then never did. Can I get a read list from you?

Your interaction with yiley has been of this caliber, extensively commenting about him but never really engaging. What are you trying to say with: "yiley has played badly?" You use it to prove nothing.

So you think nati's vote on yiley is a bus attempt? Or buddying huntress maybe?

Why'd you say a vote on yiley is a fucking bus attempt. Especially if it's the first vote on a player. Would make sense if you'd known yiley was scum.

Re: yiley. What little he's posted is consistent with his towngame as I've seen it, but that isn't saying much (and I don't have any scumgames from him). In those town games he didn't post very much and was usually pretty wishy-washy. I could see the things you were seeing in NP: trying to be conciliatory or appeasing, information instead of analysis. You'd be a better judge than me how strong those are as scum tells. If it comes down to it I could see voting yiley, but I'm really hoping for less lurking and more content to judge by.

How is what he posted consistent with his townplay, in the sense that he played badly (which I don't agree he did in his towngames) or what? I don't see anything that's the same.
The most preposterous thing about this is that you have picked on rothwell for being inactive from page 2 on and now yiley is inactive and you say "oh well, perhaps he should post more". Doesn't make sense. You also miss that yiley is lurking harder than rothwell was.

Well, I picked a bad weekend to be away from this game I guess. If yiley flips town I think I wanna lynch tier tomorrow.

Really? Some cheap shot to take some townie points?

I'm still unhappy with the way you made the yiley vote decision, although maybe I should wait for the flip to make up my mind. Also your overall tone is pretty defensive whenever someone I you about anything (like 360). I dunno, if I'm wrong about yiley I could be wrong about a lot of things.

You give shit reasoning, the only reason I see for wanting to lynch me is because mala already said she would want to. The last sentence is showing that he doesn't want to take responsability for a me mislynch.

Emerald is engaging with a lot of people but not with yiley and that for someone who seems to be extremely keen on lynching lurkers. Scum.
So yeah, all sheep.

[Natirasha]

I like this set of newbies.

[TierShift]

Don't make me feel insecure, you douchebag :'(

Nah, got any actual comments?

[Malakittens]

Well, I might be okay with an emerald lynch. Might also be okay with a Roth lynch too.

I can see a new-player-tier using that argument to clear someone. However I'm not sure how much weight someone should hold into it.

Mollie's slot is town.

Nati I'm still unsure on.

With that I'm still sick as a dog.

[TierShift]

What argument are you talking about?

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Malakittens

[Malakittens]

What argument are you talking about?

Clearing me as town because I hammered when I didn't have too.

It's actually wrong I had to because I *asked* if I should or not when I was first getting sick plus ya'know I had a scum read on Yiley for a while.

@nati:

Explain.

I say I'm still not liking you and yet there's magically a vote on me.

[emeraldemon]

I've had a ton of trouble getting online recently, makes it hard to read.

Well, the good news is we found one scum. The bad news is that my read was way off, I really thought yiley would flip town. This game is way more of an endurance test than I thought it would be, being wrong on both lynches has messed with my confidence and desire to hunt.

@tiershift: I can see where your coming from, if I were you I'd probably suspect me also. But I'm town. One thing I really liked about Huntress is that she asked her scumreads questions to try to pin them further or clarify their positions. You never do. In fact I think the only people who've asked me anything this game were huntress and mollie.

@natirasha: could you explain what you mean about the doctor claim? Anyone could claim "I protected huntress N1" and it wouldn't be proof of anything right?

[Natirasha]

Yeah that's fine and all, but the doctor claiming gives us up to two confirmed townies. Scum can't counterclaim because that puts them in a 1v1 with two mislynches.

[TierShift]

Emerald, you aren't trying to defend yourself...
Why don't you give your opinion on the 4 points i mentioned in 484? Do you think they are right? Do you think we should lynch you? If no to the last question, defend yourself.

Emerald, throw out your reads, please.

[TierShift]

Thinking yiley was town isn't scummy btw as long as you have a good explanation for it. Do give it please.

[Mindgamer]

TierShift's case efforts appear townish. I like to think he's town for now.

I'm also wondering why I'm still alive. Pirate_mollie was townread universally and I put Yiley at L-1. It tells me that Rothwell probably isn't scum (seeing as I was suspecting him and considering voting him yesterday).

Emerald/Rothwell/Tier appear town to me for now. That leaves Malakittens and Natirasha. I don't like how few content Natirasha has actually posted, but Malakittens hasn't been very impressive either. I don't agree with the idea that Malakittens is conftown because of the hammer btw. You'd be surprised how easily scum bus in order to get towncred.

I think I'll go with the wagon for now.

Vote: Malakittens

Oh, I support a Doc/BP claim unless Huntress was the N1 Doc protect.

[emeraldemon]

@tier
I'll be honest, I didn't respond because I think there's a good chance you're scum, and explaining to scum why I'm town feels like a waste. But my reads are bad apparently, so just in case you are town, here you go:

1) I was away due to Real Life. I don't want to get into it here, but I didn't have time to devote to this game for those few days (2 days I think?).
2) Huntress was everyone's #1 townread. Does anyone else even make sense for NK? Honestly I'm surprised the doc didn't protect her if there is one, but that's getting into WIFOM.
3) My plan was to get rothwell lynched because rothwell was (and is) scummy to me. I try to lynch the people I think are scum.
4) It's hard to respond to such a long post without creating an unreadable wall, but I'll see what I can do (Next Post)