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[CherryDrPepper]

Makes sense then, Imma synch up with DP before I declare an intent, but i'm p.much PoEing him and you, just saying.

[CherryDrPepper]

Actually I forgot SC existed, so that's 3 nulls, i hope the 2 scum are in there >_>

[TierShift]

Last time I checked Titus was in your scumpool as well. What happened?

[CherryDrPepper]

Probably something DP mentioned without me noticing, I've told him many times (even in thread) that this moonlogic is Town Titus.

[Does Bo Know]

Votecount 2.02

[L-1] FuDuzn - BBmolla, Bulbazak, Titus, The Silver Bard

[L-4] Titus - TierShift

Not voting: Stuffed Crust, CherryDrPepper, FuDuzn

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Tuesday, January 14, 2014 at 7:00 PM CST ((expired on 2014-01-14 17:00:00)).

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Stuffed Crust is V/LA until the end of January 25th.

[TierShift]

Since we're all agreeing on a fu lynch,

I hereby state intent to hammer.

Fu, I give you 36 hours from this post to make me change my mind. You can begin by answering my questions and giving out reads.

[Stuffed Crust]

Varsoon what happened to your pools of scum?
Aren't I scum with cherry or titus now?

They still exist, but the shifts in game have changed things a bit. As for you, you used to be in the pool of BBM, Bulba, and FuDuzn. However, since there was no NK and FuDuzn and Bulba both claimed to have protected BBM, it changed that.
That pool is now FuDuzn, Bulbazak, and BBM. You might ask why BBM was added to the pool once again, and it's because I thought over it. Certainly, I over-thought it. If BBM was scum, it makes eons of sense for him to NOT KILL at night, then immediately come into thread and ask who protected in order to out any possible PRs. It's a risky move, but it also can garner plenty of mislynches and inform night kills. Obviously, not as likely as one of Fu/Bulba just being scum, but that's what it is.

The other pool has changed, too. It was Cherry, Titus, and Obscurity, but Obscurity's corpse confirms the slot as town. Since Cherry was on the Obscurity wagon, it looks bad for that slot (obviously), but your (tiershift's) hammer on it was pretty weird. I have put you in this pool (so you're correct, awkwardly enough), because of your interaction with the BBM wagon and the Obscurity wagon.

So, summarizing all this nonsense:
I still have two pools where scum must be:
Pool 1 (Counterclaiming Doc Pool): FuDuzn > Bulba = BBM.
Pool 2 (Scummy Wagon Interaction Pool): CherryDP > Titus > TierShift

For the most part, Tier, I'm null on you. You're much less committed to early votes, which makes your BBM interaction not as heavy as the others, and while your hammer was awkward for me, it's not something to damn you over. Your play otherwise is a bit all over the place, but it doesn't have the pacing of most scum. I can't really tell if you're sheepy town or clever scum, which isn't a good thing.

Dunno about Mac, as our QT has been quiet since his Birthday. :3

-V

[TierShift]

Bard claimed to have copped BB, twas not fu.

I do not understand why one of the people who docced/copped BB has to be scum.

Wait I get it you think two people claimed doc you should reread.

[Stuffed Crust]

Yes, vote.me......when bulba is still out there.

VOTE: bulba

Can there be a third party in this set up? I feel as if big balls reeks of it.

Oh jesus, you're right.
Okay, now I feel like an idiot.

I read the above as

Yes, me. Vote me.... when bulba is still out there.

As in, Fu was replying to BBM saying that he protected BBM.

Thanks for pointing that out. I've been reading this game wrong since the day started, apparently. :l

[Stuffed Crust]

Well, then why the fuck does everyone want to lynch FuDuzn if he isn't a counter-claimed Doctor? Posts like Fu's 415 made me sure that was the case. Now I feel really dumb.

[Stuffed Crust]

Anyway, consider my vote on FuDuzn until he gets in here and explains things. I want to see what he has to say to the wagon and accusations building on him. IMO, it's pretty damning.

What is pretty damning?

Now I understand why you were confused when I wrote that. I thought he was a counter-claimed doc. D:

[Stuffed Crust]

Brb, killing myself for being this stupid.

[TierShift]

Reading, it takes skill.

I thought that Fu's 415 was a VT claim. Now that I reread, I'm not so sure that it was exactly that. Fu, do you claim VT?

Varsoon, please tell us what you think of Fu now that he isn't doc.
And update your scum pools maybe.

[BBmolla]

Probably something DP mentioned without me noticing, I've told him many times (even in thread) that this moonlogic is Town Titus.

Moonlogic is town Titus, but that aside Titus's content today has been pretty scummy.

[BBmolla]

Well, then why the fuck does everyone want to lynch FuDuzn if he isn't a counter-claimed Doctor? Posts like Fu's 415 made me sure that was the case. Now I feel really dumb.

Cause PoE doge

[Stuffed Crust]

Updated pools would be the same, but for different reasons. Instead of the counterclaim fueling the Fu/Bulba deal, it's PoE, like BBM said. Fu's not as strong of a pick for scum out of that pool anymore, though. It'd look more like Fu = Bulba >BBM.

Even then, ugh, I feel a lot less conviction now that I realize I've been reading the game wrong for the last 4 pages at least.

-V

[The Silver Bard]

Fu’s reluctance to give any kind of reads is pretty damning I would say. As a town who is almost certain to get lynched you should always give your reads as it gives the rest something to work on. Because then you have reads from a confirmed townie to work on. And it is not like him keeping them a secret will do him or us any good when he is lynched.

For a scummie though it makes perfect sense to not give reads in his position. Because he is pretty much doomed regardless, and giving off false reads at this point will make it easier for us to find the remaining scum.
He has dodged my request for it twice. And probably will a third time.

[The Silver Bard]

Updated pools would be the same, but for different reasons. Instead of the counterclaim fueling the Fu/Bulba deal, it's PoE, like BBM said. Fu's not as strong of a pick for scum out of that pool anymore, though. It'd look more like Fu = Bulba >BBM.

Even then, ugh, I feel a lot less conviction now that I realize I've been reading the game wrong for the last 4 pages at least.

-V

Could you explain to me how these pools works, as I might be misunderstanding here.

Is it:
Scum are in either pool 1 or pool 2.
There is one scum in pool 1 and one in pool 2
Or is it something different?

[TierShift]

Varsoon, are you saying that bulba is as scummy as fu?
Why is CherryDP scummier than Titus?

Bard, there's one scum in pool 1 and one in pool 2.

[BBmolla]

Updated pools would be the same, but for different reasons. Instead of the counterclaim fueling the Fu/Bulba deal, it's PoE, like BBM said. Fu's not as strong of a pick for scum out of that pool anymore, though. It'd look more like Fu = Bulba >BBM.

Even then, ugh, I feel a lot less conviction now that I realize I've been reading the game wrong for the last 4 pages at least.

-V

You are aware that the only possible way I can be scum is if Bard is scum right? He kind of has a cop innocent on me.

Like I get that you're not reading and everything, but dude come on.

[The Silver Bard]

Varsoon, are you saying that bulba is as scummy as fu?
Why is CherryDP scummier than Titus?

Bard, there's one scum in pool 1 and one in pool 2.

OK, ty.

Pool 1 then seems a bit off. Here is why I think that.

BB shouldn't be in it without me being in it. For BB to be scum, I have to be lying. As far as I can see there is nothing that can give me a false read in this game. So if BB is scum, I am lying and should therefor be scum. So thus far the pool 1 should be:

TSB>BBMolla

It doesn't work the other way around though. Even if I were to flip scum, it wouldn't mean that BB is scum, as I could be using him to gain conf town status by claiming. Also him flipping town wouldn't confirm me as town, and neither would it confirm Bulbazak.

Now for the FuDuzn=Bulbazak. This one I disagree with as well. It says that it is just as likely that Bulbazak flips scum as it is that FuDuzn flip scum. And while I do admit that there is a chance that Bulbazak is lying, I don't think the chances are high. The only real way Bulbazak could be scum if scum took a big gambit by not shooting and hoping that there was no doctor on the townteam. The first part isn’t much of a gamble, as we have as many mislynches even with a missed NK from scum. The last part would result in a 1v1 trade scum for doc at worst for scum, and at best a “confirmed” doctor going into end game. This is a high risk/high reward kind of play that I don’t think we would see very often, but I would be quite impressed if the scumteam actually did this, and pulled it off. So in short I think Bulbazak is far more likely to be town than FuDuzn.

I would probably put pool 1 like this if I were one of the others:
FuDuzn>>>>>Bulbazak=TSB>BB
I know I am town though, and therefor know BB is town. So for me pool 1 is:

FuDuzn>>>>>>>>>Bulbazak.
And a missed lynch on Fu would lead me to believe both scum were in pool 2.

[FuDuzn]

So why I am getting shit for not trusting bulba and Bard really isn't getting shit for it?

And yes, I am VT.

[The Silver Bard]

So why I am getting shit for not trusting bulba and Bard really isn't getting shit for it?

And yes, I am VT.

Probably because I am trusting Bulbazak. I think it is 90% certain he is telling the truth.

[The Silver Bard]

BB could you give us your reads on all the players in the game? Don't want to be a nag, but I find it very likely that you get NK'ed tonight, and a quickhammer would rob us of your thoughts.

[The Silver Bard]

Since you are around Fu, any chance you will give your reads?