Newbie 1466: ICECREAM! (Game Over)

[vonflare]

I think Salmonella is trying to deflect votes and straying them away from his mafia friend vonflare. I believe he and vonflare are the mafia guys because of their VERY suspicious behaviour and all of the reasons that you guys stated above.
VOTE: vonflare

and another thing...

You said something about that fish guy and me being scumbuddies.

Obviously this is false, but why did you vote ME, instead of the other guy you accused...?

just wondering on your logic. did you flip a coin or something, or was there a reason? because if I thought two were scummy, I would vote the more experienced one (fish guy) instead.

thoughts?

I chose you over Salmonella, becuase I knew I could enforce that vote better because other people already voted for you.

interesting choice of words.

enforce.

enforce the vote against you

@AUname, no townie would say that. they would say "because I knew people already called you scum", or "because you already have votes", not "because I can

enforce

the vote against you."

He didn't even say I was scum in the reason he voted me over salmon. He just said he could enforce the vote.

I know I sound like a broken record here, but NO TOWNIE WOULD SAY THAT.

[vonflare]

I just read all of surye's posts, one after the other, and in all of his posts he has made no effort to try to find scum. this has me convinced that he and karlos are the scum. they also have never mentioned each other AT ALL, except to say meaningless fluff to each other, such as "As you like to kill sheep I presume that you are a... WOLF! " (from surie to karlos)

Therefore, if there were 2 scums, they would be surye and karlos.

[Thor665]

for [Thor] is a very good player, that keeps the game interesting and IF he is town will help us tremendously find the Mafia.

Have we played together before?

[GuyInFreezer]

VoteCount 1.07

Thor665 (L-4):

huateasa

vonflare (L-4):

Karlos4

Karlos4 (L-2):

vonflare | TeedyKay | awesomeusername

Huateasa (L-2):

Thor665 | SalmonellaDreams | Ulysses96

Not Voting:

Surye

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Janurary 19, 3:30 PM EST.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-01-19 15:30:00)

[vonflare]

um, mod, I think you made a mistake. awesomeusername is voting. he voted karlos in his large post on page 7.

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I didn't had my glasses on.
Fixed.

[Karlos4]

for [Thor] is a very good player, that keeps the game interesting and IF he is town will help us tremendously find the Mafia.

Have we played together before?

No, but already with your first few posts, one could see, how experienced you were.

[Karlos4]

And why cant I express myself more eloquently? Enforcing is a great word! And there are many players from all over the world (me Germany!! ), so I wouldnt judge one, on how they express theirself. Not everybodys english is at the same level.

[vonflare]

And why cant I express myself more eloquently? Enforcing is a great word! And there are many players from all over the world (me Germany!! ), so I wouldnt judge one, on how they express theirself. Not everybodys english is at the same level.

He dosen't even defend himself. he says enforce is a good word, but HE DOSENT SAY HE ISNT SCUM.

think about it. Townie would say "I'm no scum!", scum would try to distract you into focusing on something irrelevant and time consuming ("Enforce is good word!"). how relevant is that?

[awesomeusername]

I didn't read the game super well

Why?

Excited to get playing, I guess. I read the thread once and ISO'ed most people, and I thought that was sufficient for now.

And awesomeusername (AUN) could you pls tell me which post seemed suspicious about me?

There's not really one single post that rang lots of bells, but I think the first sentence of post 116 and all of 120 are pretty typical of why I suspect you. You seem to be way too sure of Thor. I understand you have a really strong townread on him, but it's so early to be just following him. I think "someone else already said what I was going to say" would be an easy way to look like you're trying to scumhunt without actually contributing. Also, the original contributions you have made seem to me to be based mainly on hypotheticals (e.g. post 76) rather than actual tells, which is another easy way to seem to scum hunt.

@enforce debate: I understand what Karlos is trying to say, vonflare. I think he was saying "My vote does more when it's on vonflare than Salmon." (Correct me if I'm wrong, please, Karlos.) And @182, no. I don't think town would just say "I'm not scum." Town would defend themselves. Karlos's defense seems relevant to me.

[vonflare]

It's just that the overall tone of his posts are generally unhelpful and even misleading.

Also, he seems to be trying REALLY hard to make friends with Thor.

We need some more votes here!

[vonflare]

As Thor is the IC and we are in the RVS I will go along with him.

huateasa

After all thor did always do the talking for me, so I didnt have to explain too much... Put that aside, I am currently very busy and I dont have too much time to invest in the game till next week, thats why I am playing very reserved just going along, besides me being a newbie. I am still convinced that vonflare and Sardella are naughty people. Kay and ullysses seem fine to me atm and imo Thor is just trying his best to Show us other guys how to play the game, he is definitley a good guy and I hope he deosnt get killed next round by the mafia. :S

My vote on Vonflare is pretty strong, and I dont understand what you mean with what is something you disagree with Thor about? And I was sheeping Thor so much, because so many players started voting on him and I wanted them to stop, for he is a very good player, that keeps the game interesting and IF he is town will help us tremendously find the Mafia.

for [Thor] is a very good player, that keeps the game interesting and IF he is town will help us tremendously find the Mafia.

Have we played together before?

No, but already with your first few posts, one could see, how experienced you were.

Right from the beginning, up to now, trying to make friends with thor. Maybe so he can get on thor's good side, and discourage thor from voting him, or maybe even convince thor to vote with him later in the game? because he can't be nightkilled, so the only way for him to die is by lynch.

[Karlos4]

Man vonflare you are jumping way too fast to conclusions and you are taking literary EVERY single post of mine and trying to turn my words somehow, to get people voting on me. Is looks ridicolous and clearly resembles your newbie behaviour.

That aside, why should I bother posting: "I am not scum!" everytime you accuse me. In my defense lays the relevance and if you would "read between the lines" everything clearly screems: I am not scum! And secondly there was not a lot to write against your accusation of me using the word enforce instead of something more basic. Thats why I wrote what I could, to defend myself and to get you to see my reasons behind the use of the word.

AUN you got what I was trying to say with my limited vocabs. ^^

And I do see why you find the whole love for Thor thing suspicious, but he lead me onto my trail against vonflare and is overall making the game a grrat first experience and now I am doing it again, but just to defend myself against your accusations.

Now Vonflare you say my post about my use of the word enforce is TORALLY irrelevant and scummy acting behaviour. Now pls tell me, who did actually bring this nonsense up? Hmmm, let me think for a while... I believe it was you. According to your logic you would have to vote yourself. I only continued that discussion as I had to defend myself.

[awesomeusername]

Karlos' defenses make sense to me, and they check out. The more I think about it, the more Karlos's actions seem newbish rather than scummy. And vonflare is really pushing… The case against Hua makes more sense to me now, too, but I'd rather not put her at L-1 yet. Guess I'll go with my other slight scum read.

UNVOTE: Karlos4
VOTE: Surye

To be clear, I still think it's quite possible that Karlos is newbscum, though I disagree with much of what vonflare is saying. I would be on board for a Hua lynch if nothing changes.

@Karlos, 172: Let me rephrase my question: Do you disagree with Thor about anything?

@vonflare, 176: The "wolf" quote is from Karlos to Hua, not Surye to Karlos. Also, why is 175 directed at me?

[GuyInFreezer]

huateasa and SalmonellaDream has been prodded.

[vonflare]

I have some questions:

karlos, what do you think about surye and hua? out of those two, who do you think is more scummy?

surye, do you think karlos is scum, or town? why?

hua, what would you do if I (or anyone else) put you at L-1?

[Thor665]

I've got a town read on VonFlare now.

[SalmonellaDreams]

Thor, how do you feel about Surye?

[Karlos4]

@Vonflare they havent posted anything in such a long time. I cant even seem to find their last posts. As soon as I get to use a computer I will take a look at their posts. I dont believe in my forementioned accusation of you and Sardella... Since then both of them havent contributed anything to this forum, so I am quite clueless. Lets see... As they are not helping us it wouldnt be a big as a loss if they get killed and maybe one of them is scum, if not it will help us narrow down anyways, so my vote goes to hua putting him down to an L1.

VOTE: huateasa

[Karlos4]

Sry Sardella I meant instead of your name actually suryes.

[awesomeusername]

Just a heads up, Hua is at L-1 now.

Please, nobody vote Hua unless we're ready to lynch.

I'd like to hear her one more time at the least, and I'd be rather uncomfortable with today ending this early.

@Karlos, why did you move your "pretty strong" vote from vonflare? Do you still think he's scum?

[Surye]

I will be able to do a read through and ISOs and post my reads tonight. Lets not rush to end this day.

[Thor665]

Thor, how do you feel about Surye?

He's dodging questions, which I'm not a fan of. But the way he's voting doesn't look to have a lot of scum motivation to it.
That's pretty much my biggest scum and town tell on the slot.

I suppose overall he actually ends up on the townish side of null, but it's pretty razor thin and is hanging on simply due to the confusing newbie energy I'm trying to sort through this game.
Why, what's your take on him?

Just a heads up, Hua is at L-1 now.

Please, nobody vote Hua unless we're ready to lynch.

I'd like to hear her one more time at the least, and I'd be rather uncomfortable with today ending this early.

Also, frankly, a claim request would be best prior to any hammer.

The general method at mafiascum is this;

Put player to L-1
Someone states *intent* to hammer and requests claim.
Player at L-1 claims.
Claim is discussed.
Wagon is either hammered or a new wagon is started.

@Awesomeusername - you don't appear to support the Hua wagon, so why just make that comment as opposed to assessing the wagon, or advancing the Karlos wagon, or doing something else? I feel kind of like you're sitting on th eside, happy with how things are going, but not wanting to be involved.

[Thor665]

I will be able to do a read through and ISOs and post my reads tonight. Lets not rush to end this day.

Who do you think is rushing it?

[Surye]

No one, just emphasizing as he is at L-1. I'm in meetings all day and just have pockets of phone access till this evening.

[GuyInFreezer]

bump