NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)
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I am here. Not reading all of this tonight.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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There's no question that Nacho has recently outmaneuvered me in some games. So, I'm cautious. And, I also have a body of work approach to reading him, which means that my read is constantly being reevaluated.In post 5824, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I think Nacho could be appealing to you specifically trying to outmaneuver your scumhunting of him. Not everyone reads him in the same way and if he knows what you look for, he could manipulate it to make you townread him even while everyone else scumreads him.
I'll take your read under advisement. I'm not sure whether the rest of the playerlist will do it. Nacho is one of the few people that I can rarely read correctly early on. I consider his entire body of work to get a read on him and that'll take a while to develop.
I do find, though, that there's a default-scum-read sentiment around him, especially in large games, that isn't necessarily correct but does gain a head of steam as the game progresses. And I find sometimes that I wind up fighting that sentiment more and more aggressively as the game days pass. NY165, NY164 are good examples. The Dr Who game is another example, though of a different sort, where I went from null to scum and then the read did a summersault based on one short interaction on day 2.
When I along with most of the players aren't scumreading him seems to be the games where he's scum.
I'll have to go back and look at Tammy's day 1 take.
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One of things I look for is whether he is leading lynches on scum. In BB:HoH mafia, I had an easy townread on his hydra (although the read was heavily influenced by Tammy who was a lot more transparent). Mostly, it was because he had two scum pegged and pushed for their "eviction" (essentially a lynch, see the game mechanics). It worries me that he doesn't have a single strong scumread or pushed the lynches of any scum so far. I'll know he is town once he lynches multiple scum. He did make the SSK push and that alleviates my doubts somewhat but I haven't seen much else since then in the way of leading scum lynches.-
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Also, I'd kinda like your thoughts about Thor, F-16.-
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blahIn post 5832, fferyllt wrote:Also, I'd kinda like your thoughts about Thor, F-16.-
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this is an incrediby dumb reason to scum-read nacho. His reads can be shit as town, and his reads can can be low key as town. I have direct experience with thatIn post 5821, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Nacho, I am scumreading you because your reads are too PC (politically correct). You have the read that youhaveto have in order to not set off alarm bells for players like ffery. There is nothing new and exciting about them.
I seriously hope someone like Regfan replaces in.
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You have to keep in mind that he'll bus in a heartbeat as scum.In post 5831, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:One of things I look for is whether he is leading lynches on scum. In BB:HoH mafia, I had an easy townread on his hydra (although the read was heavily influenced by Tammy who was a lot more transparent). Mostly, it was because he had two scum pegged and pushed for their "eviction" (essentially a lynch, see the game mechanics). It worries me that he doesn't have a single strong scumread or pushed the lynches of any scum so far. I'll know he is town once he lynches multiple scum. He did make the SSK push and that alleviates my doubts somewhat but I haven't seen much else since then in the way of leading scum lynches.-
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A bunch load of replacements. Thoughts?In post 5820, pieguyn wrote:WHAT JUST HAPPENEDShow-
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The bolded is not a reason I am scumreading him, but rather a reason I don't have a townread yet.In post 5834, Ms Marangal wrote:
this is an incrediby dumb reason to scum-read nacho.In post 5821, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Nacho, I am scumreading you because your reads are too PC (politically correct). You have the read that youhaveto have in order to not set off alarm bells for players like ffery. There is nothing new and exciting about them.
I seriously hope someone like Regfan replaces in.His reads can be shit as town, andhis reads can can be low key as town. I have direct experience with that
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I assume by "low key", you mean reads that go with the flow which is what I accused Nacho of. I don't have experience with him doing it as town. Links?-
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He will lead mis-lynches on town, as town. Him not having a single strong scum-read isn't a means for concern, and frankly it's Burden of Proficiency. That's pretty much all I've heard RE scumcho and it's all GM can give me at best. Cabd believed that the points I touched upon for towncho wasn't good enough so I gave him a chance to directly interact with him, and hoped he could see exactly what I see but :/In post 5831, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:One of things I look for is whether he is leading lynches on scum. In BB:HoH mafia, I had an easy townread on his hydra (although the read was heavily influenced by Tammy who was a lot more transparent). Mostly, it was because he had two scum pegged and pushed for their "eviction" (essentially a lynch, see the game mechanics). It worries me that he doesn't have a single strong scumread or pushed the lynches of any scum so far. I'll know he is town once he lynches multiple scum. He did make the SSK push and that alleviates my doubts somewhat but I haven't seen much else since then in the way of leading scum lynches.Show-
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Sixty game, is the most recent one.Show-
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But, he's also had "go with the flow" reads in our first hydra game, as well.
I also think that, there were a few newbie games I was stalking featured him going with the flow.
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What are you referring to? My opinion of Thor's posts or Nacho's bussing tendencies?In post 5841, Ms Marangal wrote:But, he's also had "go with the flow" reads in our first hydra game, as well.
I also think that, there were a few newbie games I was stalking featured him going with the flow.
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because, he is actually the stronger source for the Casso-townread and I don't see how him being anti-town makes him scumShow-
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Say wha? Where is this ridiculous attack coming from? My posts have been, at worst, the posts of a player catching up with a game he has not read all of - which to my mind is a null tell because, shocker, there's no reason for me to fake that if I'm scum.In post 5840, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:ffery, Thor's posts make me cringe. I don't want to comment on them. They are probably the most blatantly useless and anti-town posts I've seen anyone make.
So where is this hostility and issue coming from? Be specific, I'd like to hear it.-
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When did I pull BoP?In post 5838, Ms Marangal wrote:He will lead mis-lynches on town, as town. Him not having a single strong scum-read isn't a means for concern, and frankly it's Burden of Proficiency. That's pretty much all I've heard RE scumcho and it's all GM can give me at best. Cabd believed that the points I touched upon for towncho wasn't good enough so I gave him a chance to directly interact with him, and hoped he could see exactly what I see but :/
I don't do that anymore.
Quite frankly my biggest issues with them are their dissonance and a general bad feeling over most of their early posts. And, as I said in the QT, I'll be happy to go into it more tomorrow. Today is my Casso-off day.-
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Can someone give me a summary of outed claims (if any) so I can compare when I start reading?
Also, holy scumballs, did someone give this game crack? (Mean this in a good way. That's my kind of game.)ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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