NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

[mastin2]

Yunichikawowwow [8]

-

Garmr

, Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak,

JKLM

, PeregrineV

Bulbazak [3]

- ArcAngel9, mastin 2, Yunichikawowwow

Yiley [1]

- Toomai

Toomai [1]

- Maxous

JKLM [1]

- Matias

Desperado [1]

- aptil

Not Voting [4]

- T S O, Lawrencelot, evilpacman18

Slandaar is not Ice-scum, but could be fire-scum. Desp is likely Ice-scum. Bulb I'm not sure on. Then there's PV, who's probably town. Basically, this wagon is most likely to have at least two scum on it, maybe three, but it's difficult to pin down for sure.

The Bulb wagon I maintain was likely all-town, which raises the question why nobody who's scum jumped on it.

EPM's scum in not voting, but I need to take another look at TSO (townread) and NJAC's slot (scumread) to see about them.
I also really think that Toomai's still scum, though. I need to take another look at aptil as well, despite my townread there.

Dry - Fit[10]

-Desperado, Matias, Yiley, mastin2, T S O, OhGodMyLife, PeregrineV, JKLM, Yunichikawowwow, aptil

[LYNCH]

JKLM [5]

- Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai, evilpacman18, Maxous

Toomai [1]

- Dry-fit

Bulbazak [1]

- RachMarie

TSO [1]

- Slandaar

Not Voting [1]

- Antihero

We know there's a fire and an ice on JKLM. So once again, why the counter-wagon to the town-wagon? This is what I'm not getting.

[mastin2]

Random note--
I really, REALLY don't like those who're saying "the nightkilled were obvtown", when bluntly, they weren't. Yeah, the scum thought so. (As EPM confirmed.) But they thought so in part because they're scum and know that the nightkilled are not among them, and thus, only need to hunt other-faction scum. I know that multiple people have done so on these different days, and I need to check for that kind of response, given how bad it is.

[RachMarie]

Willing to wait so we can yak a bit we need more info badly

However my vote will be on pacman dude in the end.

[Slandaar]

Not Voting [1]

- Antihero

We know there's a fire and an ice on JKLM. So once again, why the counter-wagon to the town-wagon? This is what I'm not getting.[/quote]
Scum want to lynch opposing scum; Everyone was scumhunting and the majority decided they thought Dry (town) was scum while only a few felt JKLM(town) is. Thats all there is to it, simple.

I may go through the rest tomorrow; you

still

need to answer my question from yesterday.

[Slandaar]

Ugh Quotes its late normally I check these things.

[mastin2]

Dry - Fit[10]

-Desperado, T S O, PeregrineV,

JKLM

, aptil

[LYNCH]

JKLM [5]

- Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai,

evilpacman18, Maxous

Bulbazak [1]

- RachMarie

TSO [1]

- Slandaar

Not Voting [1]

- Antihero

The Dry-fit wagon looks suspiciously absent of scum. (Yes, I deleted my own name. Dealwithit. ) Desp, TSO, PV, and aptil are the only candidates.

Desp/PV both sorta seem like Ice to me anyway, but not together, with me thinking Desperado. But where the hell is the fire-scum?
Also, I really don't like the names on the JKLM wagon, given the two scum there already and the towniest name being Garmr.

I also think there has to be at least one scum (if not two) in the 1 voters. Not just by arbitrary numbers, but by general situational analysis and player standings. I've got a townread on Rach, which'd leave Slandaar/NJAC as candidates.

Geh. The more I dig, the worse this is getting.

[mastin2]

I may go through the rest tomorrow; you still need to answer my question from yesterday.

Well, given that I'm doubting my TSO read...kinda pointless to do.

[mastin2]

At this point, I'm basically coming to have five or so openings for four slots. NJAC, Slandaar, Toomai, Bulb, and Desperado, with a need to reanalyze TSO, PV, and aptil.

[mastin2]

It's not that Toomai called TSO town (which he is), it's that he said nothing BUT that.
Look at his ISO - he is posting just enough not to be called lurking with just enough content not be fluff posting. He gives like 1 new read per post. His pushes are weak (if existent?)
It's textbook coasting scum.

- Garmr: His first post was really comfortable(tonally), no sign of scum caution or nerves to it - and was a big difference to his early play in a mini normal I was in with him recently (in which he was scum). There is a massive difference here between this game and that game.
-Slandaar: I don't feel like he would of written #18 as scum, not a strong read but eh. (since then, his play has been ok)
- ArcAngel: What I was suspecting about Arc was that she delayed starting the game because she was strategising with her buddies pre-game first (since I happened to see her post elsewhere without confirming here) but her complete lack of activity since has blown that theory out of the water.
- Desperado: I liked how he was pro-active and agressive in pushing the Yuni wagon early, as I think scum would of voted and sat back at the point.
- Aptil: Yeah, his post being weak was the reason I was meh on him.
- JKLM: I liked him early because his posts were full of aggression and conviction

Sorta still thinking Slandaar is scum, and I think that Toomai is also scum, but I'm not sure which kind of scum.

T S O - going nullish, not explaining Dry-Fit scum is getting tiresome and little other commentary. #281 comes across as towny though
Bulbazak - seems town sans dodgy vote on JKLM(early push was weak)
Antihero (Lawrencelot) - ??
Desperado - town I think. Only hard-pusher of Dry-Fit. Putting his neck on the line.
PeregrineV *- felt like he was townish earlier but bad dry-fit vote.
Garmr - town
aptil - pfft ??
ArcAngel9 *- ??
Slandaar - town
Toomai - scummy

Unflipped. Gah. This shouldn't be too hard. I keep coming to this and keep reading it with bias; I keep thinking that there's something incredibly telling in here, but that I'm missing it every time I'm looking, despite the extra flips and clarity since then.

[mastin2]

This is as much analysis as I can get. I'm running in circles at this point; maybe someone else can make better sense of it than I can.

[Toomai]

Ummmm okay I'm not sure what to make of these shenanigans.

I'm going to consider aptil "not scum" for now, since the only real reason I didn't like him before was that awful hammer; he doesn't really have any other posts I'd call scummy.

[...] but there's another major reveal coming, and I promised to hold off.

Well don't hold off too long.

[evilpacman18]

This sucks, I was playing a pretty decent game too.

[Garmr]

This game has been flipped up side down I need to reread it. I am happy we nailed scum and now we have a confirmed townie. But what concerns me if PA wasn't scum are the rest of my reads right and why is every time my name being mentioned its followed by garmr is town. I know I am town but there could be at least some suspicion. I was dead sure who was yesterday now not so much. I'm going to reread the game and post again latter with some thoughts.

[Slandaar]

Willing to wait so we can yak a bit we need more info badly

However my vote will be on pacman dude in the end.

We do need more info badly, yes, I look forward to your thoughts on things.

[Slandaar]

This sucks, I was playing a pretty decent game too.

You are going to be very disappointed when you find out my alignment I think.

[Slandaar]

Ummmm okay I'm not sure what to make of these shenanigans.

What do you mean shenanigans? EPM is scum, Penguin is town.

I'm going to consider aptil "not scum" for now, since the only real reason I didn't like him before was that awful hammer; he doesn't really have any other posts I'd call scummy.

You do that. The hammer still happened so nothing has changed there; if he was scum for the hammer previously he still should be now.

[Toomai]

What do you mean shenanigans?

I mean mastin suddenly making a billion and one posts. I'm debating over whether I should try to comprehend them or just ignore them.

[T S O]

Mastin, why the actual fuck are you trying to start a wagon when we have confirmed scum?

[PeregrineV]

This sucks, I was playing a pretty decent game too.

You were actually. I thought you were town.

Vote: Evilpacman

[Bulbazak]

Bulbazak is a scumread because this game feels an awful lot like his scumgame in Maniacal Street, and not what his towngame is like.

How so? I felt I was more aggressive in that game.

the general aura around his analysis is rotten and feels hollow and empty.

Again, examples.

Scum are trying to kill each other. Whichever team killed Matias was obviously looking for other scum on the Yuni wagon. This makes it likely that most of that team was off the wagon. We're likely only looking at 2 scum max on the Yuni wagon given that.

Also, looking back over Yiley's posts d2 makes it clear that Aptil is not fire scum.

This looks like scum with inside info.

I was asked to consider scum on the Yuni wagon. Those were part of the results I came up with, since I figured scum might have done the same thing.

Basically, I don't give a damn at this point. The fire scum are going to join the wagon since it's lynching their opposite faction. The ice scum are going to join the wagon because they know their buddy is busted. I'm going to get lynched off of suspicion of me being ice anyway, so it doesn't make a damn difference if I'm on the wagon or off, but it does make one critical vital difference--give me just enough time to get thoughts out before the end of the day, with this new piece of analysis to go off of.

Why would you say this, especially about you being considered ice scum? I have you down as fire scum if anything.

[...] but there's another major reveal coming, and I promised to hold off.

Well don't hold off too long.

I was informed that the reveal is off. It's interesting that you were fishing so hard for it, though.

Vote Evilpacman18

[evilpacman18]

btw fire guys, aim for town, we will too, cross-kills hurt us both right now.

vote: evilpacman18

[T S O]

btw fire guys, aim for town, we will too, cross-kills hurt us both right now.

vote: evilpacman18

How dumb do you think the Fire team is? They shoot Town and you shoot at them? lmao

[T S O]

Out of a 13-3-3 set-up, it'll be 8-2-2 at the end of this day.

Assuming two town deaths and a mislynch, Town is at 5-4 and basically doesn't control the majority. Meanwhile the game comes down to scum taking potshots at each other.

I'm sure that appeals to the Fire team.

[Toomai]

What I don't get is why epm gave it up instead of trying to counterclaim, which would have at least given him a chance to mislynch the guy who nabbed him.

Anyway it's L-1 now. aptil and NJAC have yet to post, so I figure we should wait until they show up before ending the day.

[penguin_alien]

Sorry, I didn't get around to this last night. To prevent a quickhammer:

UNVOTE: EPM

Thoughts tonight, promise.